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You would have disenfranchised voters in the state as was said. >> and broken the law. the governor was required to certify. >> right. that's right. >> no legal window there. harry, your thoughts? >> you know, i agree 100% as an illustration alisyn called the bizarro world you can't get better. dev david perdue re-emerges and it's not simply where he given truth serum he knows he's tell a lie. everything gloria says is correct, but telling a lie about the gravest kind of constitutional responsibility a governor or any federal official has and that is his campaign platform. we saw the nicely ai...

Give? will he say, for example, that we were all just trying to figure out a way to get around rudy giuliani who was the person standing in the way of getting that important aid to ukraine. we'll hear from a few people who were on the original -- listening in on the july 25th phone call so they'll be able to tell everyone in the country what it was that they heard and whether or not they thought it was a beautiful and perfect call like the president. >> or was he trying to please the president? this was a donor. paid a million dollars to become ambassador. he really wanted to be doing this. an...

After two years, one would think he would have mastered all the acronyms of your agency. foreclosures are one-third of the agency's asset sales. so i'm old enough to remember when cabinet secretaries went before congress and they actually had mastered what they were going to be asked about or what they were going to talk about, and that clearly wasn't the case today. >> david, the president always talks about hiring the best and the brightest. these administration officials when they testify, does it seem like they have prepared for their testimony? >> often it does not. while i agree with eve...

>> so that actually happened. joining me cnn senior political analyst david gergen and chief political analyst gloria borger. gloria, this is the housing and urban development secretary. shouldn't he know what reo stands for? >> one would think he would. after two years, one would think he would have mastered all the acronyms of your agency. foreclosures are one-third of the agency's asset sales. so i'm old enough to remember when cabinet secretaries went before congress and they actually had mastered what they were going to be asked about or what they were going to talk about, and that clearl...

This is not "the apprentice" the remix, what i called it on twitter. we have to say enough is enough. this is now a distraction. how many times have we said that since the election? this is now a distraction and it's putting us all in harm's way. it's time to stop. >> gloria, as kaitlan was saying there, the white house is concerned there are other tapes. why do people feel the need to tape conversations? is it perhaps they're concerned the president might lie about what was said in those conversations? >> first of all, i don't think they trust each other. many of them probably don't trust the...