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Harry and i write about this. typically, the guy or gal who is in first who is ahead in early polling tends to be there right at the end. that's joe biden right now, ahead in national polling, early state polling and ahead, by the way -- it got missed, but by double digits over donald trump in general election polling. at this date, if you are betting, joe biden is your best bet. the question is he is 75 years old. does the party want that now? >> how old is trump? >> 72. >> there you go. all right. 70 is the new 40 apparently. harry, to you. what i noticed right away from there list, there's ...

What about elizabeth warren and the pocahontas attacks? do things like that stick? >> maybe they stick in the general election but certainly i think she would wear it as a badge of honor in a primary campaign. that's a big part of what's going on here. why we have warren is she is someone that could link the left wing. you can't win with 25% of the vote. you need to put together 40%, 50% in order to win a nomination. in my opinion, she may be able to do that. >> go ahead, chris. >> i was going to say, one thing to remember, too, is that if harry and i did this list at this time for republicans...

Higher if wasn't up for re-election this november. i think his -- for everything harry talked about as well as his personal style, his voice, we joke, but it's true, there's an authenticity there that i think he gets underrated, i think, gets ignored more than he should. harry and i are together on that one. >> you are both smart in my book. >> thank you. >> i didn't say not smart. he said he is smarter than me. >> nobody is perfect. >> thanks. >> thank you. ahead, turning the corner in a major way, an important headline to tell you about. 70 infants have been ordered to appear in immigratio...

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