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And go from there. >> former defenseretary bill ho cohen it's a pleasure to have your analysis and perspective here. thank you very much. we have a lot of breakdowns of all the angles coming up, including what a full denuclearization of north korea will really look we're talking with two people who know more about this than just about anybody else on the planet. didsident trump just supply kung with tim jong-e mother of all photo ops? all of it a propaganda push and all of it as we wrap up a full day in singapore and president trump heads home on air force one. your getting serious thing. th...

Different thing from negotiating with dictators. i think if we didn'trn anything else from the 1930s, i think we learned that happy summitry, emy words, potentially empty words and lots of flags and mony, don't necessarily lead to the consequences that we hope for. and so i think a dose of healthy, healthy skepticism here is important. this is the kind of thing that wouldap aong process, not begin one. perhaps this is the right way to do it. we'll see. but we're not dealing with, in north korea, a kind of regime where there are any checks and balances, whatever, inside. so we're dealing with a...

>> trump would make the argument planes, army needs to do it. that's what his argument would be. he would say you're making the case for him. >> here's the thing. all of that has an impact. all of that has helped bring kim jong-un to the negotiating table. all of those over the years have confined kim's bad behavior to a limited sphere of influence. those things work. you could argue that exercises are useless if they don't work. we've seen over and over again they actually do work. if it was such a simple thing, why go behind the backs of our allies and do it? why not bring the allies in for ...

It's supposed to be difficult but isn't that what is required? our allies, our friends and enemies know there will be consistency in our foreign policy regardless of who is sitting in the oval office? >> in principle i agree. it doesn't have to be in the form of a treaty, there's lower threshol thresholds, majority votes with executive agreements which are politically more realistic. i like the idea of hearings so the administration has to defend wh it's done. what we've had in singapore -- it would be the shortest meeting in history and that's the thing i agreed to. it ought to be present fro...

Those military exercises serve multiple purposes, not only do they deter aggression by the north, but they serve other interests in the asiapathpacifi region. >> joe? >> richard, we know what the north koreans got out of this. they had a murderous despot share the state with the representative of the united states of america. they're getting the suspension of military exercises, which i'm sure our allies like the japanese may not be particularly pleased with. what did the united states get out of this? >> well, i think what this did is it stopped a drift towards war that we -- the conversation...