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Bragging about it to an australian diplomat. that's how this started. and carter page was under surveillance by the fbi from years past because of his interactions, questionable interactions with russians. this is not something that's made up. this is very real. and every day the american people are being gaslighted into trying to -- by trump and his enablers who try to say this is just him having fun on twitter. it's irresponsible. he's president of the united states. >> jackie, the president claims that president obama did nothing about russian meddling, yet he himself still won't fully ackn...

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Important in this process, and we have to be able to have these industries to protect that. that's a big part of the goal. >> no studies? >> i'm not going to say that we're not looking at every facet of this because we certainly are. it's been a very thoughtful and long process. but that is the focus of the decision that he's making. >> two views now from two former white house insiders. cnn's david axelrod and cnn senior political analyst david gergen. david, when the president is unpredictable and inconsistent, how much more difficult does it make the already difficult process of governing? ...

Falling. nothing i said was inaccurate. did he not say that about duterte? >> jackie, he says things for reaction sometimes and you're doing precisely what he wants you to do, react to it. >> here's the thing. here's the thing. the fact that people like jim and others who are enablers of donald trump and what he does, they make excuses that they would never make for anyone else. could you imagine if barack obama said a fraction of the things that donald trump says? donald trump has a history to jackie's point of seemingly admiring authoritarian rule. he never said a bad thing about putin. he a...