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That would be a radical thing but in talking about the alleged behavior by the government here the judge seemed fired up. the personal and political outrage on this issue is not just blooming, it is growing ravenously. with every day citizens and members of congress and governors and churches and advocacy groups and schools and random moms in columbus, ohio, scrambling to find any way to intervene and throw themselves in the path of what the trump administration is doing to these kids. the one weird trick we all have to understand about our new nationalist authoritarian white -- politics that ...

Scale of what's happening. you're talking about dozens and dozens of cases a day nationwide and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> jonathan blitzer, staff writer at the "new yorker" doing very incisive work. thank you for helping us understand it. appreciate you being here. we'll be right back. stay with us. moving in together and getting two of everything thing. those fur babies preparing you for real babies thing. that one for me, one for you, us together for the rest of everything. buy one iphone 8 and get one iphone 8 on us. more for your thing. that's our thing. visit att dot com. need a...

A steel shaft and bring this thing to an abrupt halt? is there an emergency brake on this thing? yes, there is. it is a braking system we've had to use a few times in the past year. we have seen it work time and time again on these kind of issues that president trump has chosen to campaign on and pursue as president, specifically because of the outrage those policies generate. when outrage against the policies actually fuels them as seen as a benefit to make this administration want to do them even more and double down, how do you stop those policies? there is a way. that's next. when we were ...

This to set an example. that's one of reasons why i asked the question about the pawn issue. are these issues being used as a pawn. it goes down the line about trying to fix the broken immigration system, immigration reform. the homeland security sed says no the kids aren't being used as a pawn. sarah huckleby sanders says oh we want to do everything, it's all or nothing to create the wall. it's leverage -->> it's leverage to get the wall. >> and these kids are used as pawns, they say one thing do another. the president can change this policy. >> briefing had been delayed, delayed, delayed. >>...

They face certain rape. >> kellyanne, there is no reason for us to go down any avenues of speculation. i don't think tonight is the night to fight. i think this is black and white. the only thing that changed here -- >> you want to talk about the compassion part. so did the first lady. everyone has. >> you're glossing over things because -- >> i'm not glossing over anything. where were you in 2014? . >> i was on it. >> were you? you're calling them trump detention centers. isn't that clever branding? and the obama detention centers had what in them? families. >> i'll let you speak. you want to...