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Same way. they're people not getting things done for the american people. that's how i look at congress right now. but general john kelly said when he was at the department of homeland security, we believe this will have a deterrent effect. he used the language because that's what you want to send as a message. own it. >> that was over a year ago and the department of homeland security did not say that today. >> i know, today she said something that didn't make any sense. at least he was being honest. the only thing that changed is your policy and now you have this spin for the white house tha...

Other. we're already seeing, this is politically difficult. you had a similar outcry of a somewhat different thing that happened under obama and he stopped it -- >> because it's difficult -- >> tha going to run into the base policy -- >> i don't think you have to go into extremes because it's difficult. >> the president ran on enforcing the border. he ran into general against hillary clinton who had an opposite policy, he won. this is something he said he was going to do, which is enforce -- >> to be a jerk, to be an ass, to be someone -- >> i'm trying to give you an objective analysis. that's...

Runs an agency of tens of thousands of people and has in her discretion and power to stop this thing, this unconscionable thing from happening, but she refuses to do it. she should leave. >> the president could do it with a phone call -- >> you're absolutely right. >> maybe they do like the message of strength even when it plays azhar shness. he says he doesn't like children being separated from their families, but if that were true, couldn't he make it stop right away? >> you are absolutely correct. of course he can make it stop. one phone call and it's done. so, yeah, that is exactly right. ...

How many were prosecuted that she knows were prosecuted? how many that went to jail were separated from their children? >> it's a different thing. it's not a good analogy. >> for many reasons i won't do it. >> it's not the same thing. it's a misdemeanor that you want to make something violent. >> no, no, no, these are people committing other crimes. >> i want to keep my word. tell my audience what has changed and what it means, please. >> sure. but remember, border security also has to do with keeping the drugs out of the country. so much of it comes through the southern border. so much of it ...

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