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Counteract it? if you're a congressional candidate on the campaign trail? >> i think the biggest thing is to recognize there are considerably more of us then there are of the trump base. i agree with everything victoria said. yes, this plays great with trump base. only 26% of america voted for trump in 2016. you have millions more who are tuned in now than were then. >> but that's a misleading number because it's a percentage -- it's not a percentage of the people who voted. let's not kid ourselves. those are the ones that matter. a lot fewer are going to vote in november than voted in novembe...

Community afraid, immigrant communities do not want to cooperate with police and in the end making everybody less safe. that is the biggest irony of saying that i.c.e. makes us safer when, in fact, the i.c.e. we're seeing today under the trump administration, makes us less safe as a country. >> i guess the bottom line, victoria, is that i think you have most americans clearly who are opposed to these family separations, but nobody's going to say i'm against border security. so how do democrats balance those two things? how do they show they can support these families but also not hurt border s...

To rewrite this immigration debate. >> where have we seen that before. peter alexander. thank you so much. i want to go to my panel. this is a professor at the university of texas. jess mcintosh, executive editor of share blue. evan siegfried is a republican strategist. victoria, is this call to abolish or change i.c.e. going to help or hurt the democratic party? >> it's going to help the republican party. if we go back to the trump campaign, two of the pillars of his campaign were immigration restriction and shoring up police support. so you combine those two and that is the winning combinati...