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Ben dominic from the heartland institute. eli lake from "newsweek" and the "daily beast." this idea you've drawn international red line, there's this prohibition on the use of weapons. respond to the argument, i made an argument earlier in the show, i still haven't heard anyone convince me. saddam hussein used the weapons twice notably against the kurds and iran/iraq war. there were no punitive missile strikes. it was ghastly, disgusting, horrible, evil action. there were no international sanctions for it. the u.s. government knew they had the weapons and basically looked the other way. no one...

Situation with syria. russia has quite famously blocked any u.n. security council action. even the most basic condemning of the human rights, you know, violations of the regime. very basic stuff. there's an anecdote in baker's story in which the firm time that the president's national security adviser goes to meet with putin, the first thing putin says to him is when are you going to start bombing syria? this was 18 months ago. you can imagine watching this unfold that from putin's perspective, this is playing out precisely what he thought the u.s. was about. >> that was actually right after g...

Join today. i will seek authorization for the use of force from the american people's representatives in congress. over the last several days, we've heard from members of congress who want their voices to be heard. i absolutely agree. >> the president said on saturday he would go to congress to decide whether to execute a punitive strike against syria. he immediately stepped into uncharted territory. space where liberal and conservative lawmakers will line up on the same side in the normally divided house of representatives. it's already apparent a congressional vote on whether to strike syr...

Heartland institute. he co-founded "red state" a conservative blog. eli lake, senior national security reporter from "newsweek" and the "daily beast." explain this to me. i found the moment in the hearing today that was most interesting was several senators saying, if you think you have the authority to do this without coming to congress, why are you coming to congress? and if the vote doesn't go your way, isn't this a preposterous bit of theater? >> i think the vote is going to go their way. i think that the president believes that this action will be stronger if it is a u.s. action that is s...

Punitively established international norm. >> by in large for the last 90 or 100 years, these weapons have not been used except in the iran/iraq war and by saddam hussein. i happen to be on the senate foreign relations committee staff when that happened. we tried to get the evidence and tried to get the administration at that time to take that action seriously. we failed on that effort. it's not that it wasn't noted and it wasn't that there weren't voices urging action at that time. >> even in the absence of that action, my point being, as a historical matter, in the absence of that action, it...