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>> not necessarily, a lot of the people -- i live in a sanctuary city, this is a city where you have people who put people to work and they have been to the penitentiary three, four, five times. the major reason we do that, the city of chicago is the most corrupt city in america. this state has sent governors and senators and congressmen to jail. and this city, because of corporatism, whatever you want to call it, it is an extremely corrupt city. so you can't really use that about chicago. >> because there are so many ex-cons running around, and actually many of whom have held off, as you accu...

>> not necessarily, a lot of the people -- i live in a sanctuary city, this is a city where you have people who put people to work and they have been to the penitentiary three, four, five times. the major reason we do that, the city of chicago is the most corrupt city in america. this state has sent governors and senators and congressmen to jail. and this city, because of corporatism, whatever you want to call it, it is an extremely corrupt city. so you can't really use that about chicago. >> because there are so many ex-cons running around, and actually many of whom have held off, as you accu...

Really saying something. joining me now, msnbc contributor james peterson, director of afrocono studies and associate professor of english at lehigh university. james, i'm of two minds about this. the entire enterprise seems doomed and preposterous, given the biography we've shown, yet his speech this weekend was better than i was anticipating. >> yeah, he's improved. he's a little bit more on message. remember, the message that i think that republican strategists believe will resonate coming from rand paul -- i know this seems like a stretch sometimes -- but his messaging around mass incarcer...

>> no, that's not true. >> do you have bills? what, are you supposed to run a nonprofit organization and not get money? >> all the people donating, absolutely know where is that money goes. >> it's hard to find out where your charity money really goes. we can check charity rating services like charity navigator. better than nothing. but the ratings aren't perfect. some charities aren't rated and rating services, they sometimes get conned, too. so i give my charity money to groups that i can check out myself, like the dough fund. a group that rehabs ex-cons and addicts. i decided they do a good...

Enmate exiting the prison are signing up for obama care allowing them to shift their medical expenses to the government. >> it means higher cost for taxpayers and higher healthcare cost for taxpayers specifically for the inmate population. it is particularly a wind fall for those states that draum mat clae expanded their medicaid program from the past. >> lou you think come children and the disabled obama care expands to four single men. that means more ex-cons qualify for federally paid care as well as any inmates who receives hospital care outside of prison walls. >> if an individual is rele...