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Some politicians, i think, actually probably are better served by people who have a very different background. i mean, some of the best spin doctors were notjournalists. i remember sitting at the back of the red lion watching, watching damian mcbride firing off emails left, right and centre on gordon brown spin dr. absolutely, you know, pushing all the buttons of the sun lobby. he was absolutely- a complete master of that. whereas i think borisjohnson, as helen says as somebody- with a journalistic- background, he probably would have been better served by someone like dominic- cummings with hi...

That they understand the personalities at play because they've worked alongside those journalists, as well. some politicians, i think, actually probably are better served by people who have a very different background. i mean, some of the best spin doctors were notjournalists. i remember sitting at the back of the red lion, watching damian mcbride firing off emails left, right and centre... gordon brown's spin doctor. gordon brown's spin doctor, absolutely, you know, pushing all the buttons of the sunday lobby. he was absolutely a complete master of that. whereas i think borisjohnson, as helen...

I mean, obviously if a politician is taking someone from the lobby, they would expect that individual to be very good at putting themselves in the shoes of a journalist, and anticipating the way in which a story may develop, where it might head. that they understand the personalities at play because they've worked alongside those journalists, as well. some politicians, i think, actually probably are better served by people who have a very different background. i mean, some of the best spin doctors were notjournalists. i remember sitting at the back of the red lion, watching damian mcbride firi...

Who have a very different background. i mean, some of the best spin doctors were notjournalists. i remember sitting at the back of the red lion watching, watching damian mcbride firing off emails left, right and centre... gordon brown's spin doctor. absolutely, you know, pushing all the buttons of the sun lobby. he was absolutely a complete master of that. whereas i think borisjohnson, as helen says as somebody with a journalistic background, he probably would have been better served by someone like dominic cummings with his disdain for the lobby probably trying to reign in the prime minister'...

Right and centre... gordon brown's spin doctor. gordon brown's spin doctor, absolutely, you know, pushing all the buttons of the sunday lobby. he was absolutely a complete master of that. whereas i think borisjohnson, as helen says — as somebody with a journalistic background — he probably would have been better served by someone like dominic cummings, with his disdain for the lobby, probably trying to rein in the prime minister's instincts always to respond to the front—page headline... so you're doing your colleagues, ex—journalists, out of a job because of course damian mcbride, as ...