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It's unusual that they have been out for this long. many people wondering whether it's a good sign for the defense. i'm not so sure yet. >> remind us, let's step back, remind us how this whole thing came about. you and i have talked about different witnesses testifying, ex mistresses, players. remind us how this whole thing came about. >> well, interestingly enough, he's been charged with four counts of perjury. the grand jury was not investigating his use of steroids. they were investigating the use of steroids in general. and so certainly now they believe that he got in front of the grand ju...

>> i can't even believe -- >> no, this -- i'm happy to -- >> can i answer that question? >> i was, in fact -- >> go ahead, sarah. >> i'm happy to wear that label, but if you use that label, in my particular situation -- >> go there, sarah, jump in. >> it means a wife who stays with your husband is also a -- >> speaking from an ex-mistresses' point of view, she's very submissive, very subservient. i've been there, holly. i know what it feels like to be waiting for a guy, cooking, cleaning, waiting for him. you happen to charge for it. so many women who write to me who are mistresses, they've be...