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A really microcosm of not just rush limbaugh being a jerk. limbaugh being a jerk is par for the course but as he acts as this ideological enforcer. >> i will tell you as the former president of the conservative independent women's forum i had several dealings with rush limbaugh. i'm having a very hard time sort of understanding the rush that i met in private versus the person that we have been hearing about on the radio over the last week. i will tell you that, you know in all fairness to him, we had -- couple of dinners where we honored, for example, nancy brinker of the susan komen foundatio...

There were times when my capacity as president of independent women's forum i may get a phone call from someone who said rush limbaugh is upset, for example, that -- i can't verify this because i was not in on the conversations but told limbaugh was upset or says you can't be trusted because you said something positive about president obama. assuming that to be the case in the kind of job that i had at that period of time, it makes you feel uncomfortable because you feel can you -- is it possible to say how you really feel about an issue? do you have to tow the line because this very person in...

Not only in the south. it is in the north as well. you must remember in '65 voting rights act, it also included new york. before i left new york yesterday, we were dealing with questions of the redistricting, what will happen to the harlem district, for example. this has been a national problem. when you combine that as you said the voter i.d. laws we are marching about today and all of this week, it is a real critical point in where we are dealing with how will the concentrated black vote demonstrate itself both locally with congressional fights and then nationally, where you are going to hav...

Would have thought that we would have gone from the economy, for example, to talking about aspirin between the knees. >> but -- >> my question to you really is -- >> michael stek michael steele aspirin between the knees? >> my question is how do we square forward, how do we square this notion of the delegate count versus the important -- importance of perception and who has the momentum? for so many talk that former governor mitt romney has so much momentum because he won the washington caucuses over the weekend and that will happen -- help him in ohio. does it make a difference at all? >> wel...

The fact, very much like we saw in iowa, of -- with the delegates, that was a split decision. so that was a good example of romney winning the popular vote but the -- the delegates were awarded on a congressional district basis which meant that, you know, santorum won more congressional districts. the reality of it is that, you know, this process will lend itself to people sort of second-guessing it and looking at it but i think the congressman's point and point that was -- mr. weed's point when you get to the actual allegation of delegates which won't happen until you get to the convention yo...