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Department should be on trial right along with mr. zimmerman. but one more thing, martin. for all this talk about the voices and all this testimony about identifying voices, it seems really strange to me that the judge didn't allow any of the experts to come in, even if the technology is flawed. even if you can't make it an exact sort of assessment of the voices, the fact that we're now hinging part of this case on random folk who don't have any training, who don't use any of this technology, to identify this voice, it just makes sense to me that we would have allowed that additional informati...

Jonathan capehart of "the washington post" and lisa bloom, who is our msnbc expert. and jonathan actually asked you, lisa, just before mr. trayvon took the stand, whether mr. martin, sorry, took the stand, whether you thought it would be a good idea for the defense to call him. and your reaction was no. >> that's right. and that's still my answer. i agree with the answer they gave before. you know, i don't think that was particularly helpful, to the defense. you know, i think it's kind of overkill at this point. and this is a very, very sympathetic man. i think any of us can understand, if you...

His mind-set that night. >> now, there was also, just as we draw to a close, john, there was also a discussion about lineups. and the defense, mark o'mara, was making the point that individually, you would normally show people six different examples, not just one. and there was some -- what was the point of that? why do you think the defense were trying to push that? >> you know, i'm still trying to -- i'm still trying to figure out the whole kabuki theater here that was happening. but the one thing that we have to keep in mind, the police bought george zimmerman's version of events from momen...

Voice on the tape, because he had spent all of this time in vietnam. well, now the prosecution, the state has objected. the state objected to the testimony, because he testified that he listened to the tape on saturday. he was deposed back in may. so, essentially, the state is saying that the testimony that was provided today was testimony that was withheld from the defense. that's what's happening right now. judge nelson is also going to take up two other important matters. one, we know about, the other we don't. let's start with the one that we know about. the state has objected to an animat...

Defense to bring in an animated version of their belief of what happened on the night trayvon martin was killed. that's also a point of dispute. but i want to bring in now msnbc contributor, goldie taylor, defense attorney, karen desoto, and msnbc contributor, professor james peterson. and if i might, let's begin with trayvon martin's father, tracy martin, who was asked on the stand his reaction the moment he heard what had happened. take a listen. >> can you describe to the jury what was going through your mind when you were listening to that? >> basically what i was listening to, i was liste...