jonathan capehart of "the washington post" and lisa bloom, who is our msnbc expert. and jonathan actually asked you, lisa, just before mr. trayvon took the stand, whether mr. martin, sorry, took the stand, whether you thought it would be a good idea for the defense to call him. and your reaction was no. >> that's right. and that's still my answer. i agree with the answer they gave before. you know, i don't think that was particularly helpful, to the defense. you know, i think it's kind of overkill at this point. and this is a very, very sympathetic man. i think any of us can understand, if your son has been killed, unexpectedly, at a young age, and you're at the police station and you're answering questions, you're going to be beyond dazed and confused. >> absolutely. lisa, we are going back to the proceedings, so thank you, but please stay with us. >> -- and on february 26th, 2012, what was your occupation? >> i was the chief of police for the city of sanford. >> no longer in that position? >> no, sir.