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Procedures being done. fewer excess testing. that sort of thing. >> that seems like wre with should have evolved. most doctors, most health care providers want to do those things. why doesn't it happen except for the places you just mentioned? >> many places in the country have done this with different models. as they've done that, as the care has become safer, with better outcomes in every instance. it's turned out to be lower expense also. >> we have to take a short break. i'm going to be back with dr. cortiz in just a moment.

Tend to do fewer things to people than might be occurring elsewhere. we tend to have fewer days in the hospital. fewer days in icu. fewer procedure that is are being done. fewer excess testing and that sort of thing. >> that seems like where we should have evolved, right, as a medical establishment. i would say that most doctors, most health care providers want to do those things. why doesn't it happen except for the places -- some of the places you mentioned? >> there are many places in the country that have done this with different models and as they have done that, as the patients -- as the...