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About this idea of them being armed. because at one level i think that's part of the reason that there's a little bit of reticence, right you? don't want to precipitate bloodshed. and obviously there's ruby ridge and there's waco. there's actual precedent here. but also, that's -- that is the argument that a lot of people marshal for the second amendment, that basically that's why we should be able to have guns, so we could do something like this and scare off the federal government. >> i think it's more that we should -- we should be able to have guns to protect ourselves when somebody gets a...

And protests in tehran have continued. what we have seen over the last several years from iraq to syria to yemen is essentially a series of proxy wars between the sunni saudis and the shia iranians for dominance in the region. it is one of the underlying drivers of the bloodshed in the region, which doesn't show signs of getting better. saudi arabia has also now ended air traffic and trade links with iran according to its foreign minister. between these two regimes of course it is saudi arabia that is allied with the united states. it is our friend. the u.s. state department responded to saudi...

Know, the number one -- enemy number one in many cases is not barack obama, not hillary clinton, enemy number one is essentially who people perceive as the leaders of the republican party. >> yeah. >> the republican establishment. and you know, we've been talking this whole time about the race is ultimately going to have to come down to establishment, anti-establishment, two-person race. but if that's the dynamic, i don't see how the person who wins that establishment slot has a shot unless the dynamic shifts. >> well, the dynamic has to shift in a way that we haven't seen right now. look, sin...

He doesn't support ethanol. now, this is of course a tried and true means of iowa campaigning. >> sure. >> but i think what we're seeing in this race is those sort of local issues, essentially their sail yens has entirely evaporated. do you agree with that? >> in many respects that's right. i've said for some time one of the problems going into this cycle by relying on national polls whether it is to determine who's going to stand on the stage to debate or where they are in the poll position leading up to the vote in a few weeks distorts the outcome, distorts the way this race would naturally ...

>> but no, i think that is. look, when you trace the roots of arguments about the second amendment to the sort of -- their base, which is about the idea that like the government should be scared of the people rather than the people scared of the government, it comes down to the fact that this is a way of essentially break the state's monopoly on violence so we have a possibility of insurrection in this bird sanctuary. >> i mean, taking ben's comment, which is a very interesting moment in our history, when ronald reagan and the nra were in favor of gun control a lot of people in the civil right...