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Kara, stand by. i want to bring in cnn's chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, how big of a win is that? this one today for house democrats? >> well, it's another very important win, because the legal issue fundamentally is the same as the one yesterday regarding the accounting firm that did the president's taxes. the issue is, is this a legitimate subject for congressional oversight. does congress have the right to investigate this area? the president's lawyers have argued in both courts that this is a purely personal matter. it is not related to any sort of legislation, so congress s...

30 hours. >> right to. >> to bob mueller so he's trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube, and i don't know how successfully he'll be able to do that. it will clearly go to court, and this will go on a little while. >> i want to the ask about the olc, the legal counsel memo and the rationale behind the instructions not to testify. they didn't tell him not to show up. your read, and i'm not a lawyer much to the disappointment of my parents, your reading of the memo how much will this stand up if it goes multiple steps further? >> i don't think it holds up a lot. it's reliant on doj opportu...

They are not allowed to interfere in what is made public but there is a executive privilege argument they can make. >> one of the explanations that i found out about about mueller not subpoenaing the president, is it makes it easier to do that. you can hand over the evidence around the president's conduct around obstruction or otherwise if it is not grand jury evidence. mueller and the people on his team knew this would always be a political process. it would also be incorporated into a political process in congress if is easier to transfer that evidence than it is grand jury evidence. >> the ...

Chance of success on that? i think we have to look at is there a method for us to get that information voluntarily? is there a way to assure the country that the president behind closed doors is not sacrificing the interests of the country? it's always our presence to get voluntary cooperation before we consider compulsion. >> senior political reporter and analyst is with us, gloria borger -- davand "usa today" columnist kirsten powers, mike shields, and the obama solicitor general. neal, from the legal standpoint, can the white house make a valid executive privilege argument on the interprete...

Sacrificing the interests of the country? it's always our preference to get voluntary cooperation before we consider compulsion. >> chairman, thank you very much. senior political reporter and analyst is with us, gloria borger, david gergen, columnist kirsten powers, mike shields, and the obama solicitor general. neal, from the legal standpoint, can the white house make a valid executive privilege argument on the interpreter's notes? >> they can try but i think they'll lose. executive privilege goes all the way back to george washington. he asserted it in 1792 with respect to the indians. he l...