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Et cetera. homes and all sorts of other luxury items. and so it's a pretty -- it looks to be like it will be a pretty intensive document case as you would expect in a tax fraud, mortgage fraud case. and i think that's ultimately what this exhibit list illustrates. >> the prosecutors have a big job here because an important person in manafort's life flipped and as you put may be kind of a naritator in this trial. >> i think rick gates is going to be on the stand for at least a week. i think he's going to narrate this entire scheme. >> he's the keeper of the secrets. >> he's the keeper of the se...

What this exhibit list demonstrates. >> the prosecutors have a big help here because a very important person in manafort's life and work flipped and as you put may be kind of a narrator in this trial. >> i think rick gates is going to be on the stand for at least a week. i think he's going to narrate this entire scheme. >> he's the keeper of the secrets. >> he's the keeper of the secrets but all of these documents that at least he has some relevance to are going to come in through him and he's going to explain them. while i think this case was pretty strong to begin with, the fact that the gov...

Came up yesterday. they were asking about the weapons charges. remember, he faces that in addition to a murder charge here. and they wanted to know what is the meaning of constructive possession. this is how the minutia and detail involved. it means, according to the judge, that you have to have possession of the gun and the ability to control it, but you don't have to have intent to use it. they're talking about the .45 caliber gun that prosecutors say is the murder weapon in this case. that's an example. other things had to do with, we need the exhibit list, we need laptops to look at the vi...

I think that's pretty dangerous because a jury like this that asks for the exhibit list, you best be sure that they're going to listen to all of these statements and probably compare and contrast them. >> could i bounce off of that a little bit? the situation that the defense was faced with is clearly that was the prosecution -- a big part of the prosecution's case, to lay each statement upon the next to show all the inconsistencies. i think the defense did not want to re-emphasize that with their closing argument, and they wanted to simply rely on the lead investigators in this case who said ...

Culture, but moms, okay? over half of them are mothers, and that is very big for prosecutors here. they pushed on that from the beginning about who trayvon martin was, what he represented -- >> and you could sense it in the closing for sure. >> absolutely. >> playing on emotion. it's a strategy. >> and dads can be parents, too, obviously by definition, but it is a distinguishing characteristic here, and the jury has a lot of information. that's why they asked for the exhibit list. i'm an attorney. that gives you a window into ther g they're going to do this methodically. they're going to take ...