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Suicide makes a lot more sense to me. >> and here's the question about that because i want to zero in on the july 23rd incident as well. if someone as high profile, i know someone who's a former cop and i have one relative that used to work on rikers island. my understanding is if someone exhibits suicidal ideation and they attempt to actually hurt themselves, they would then be on suicide watch, and it wouldn't be brief. they would be on an extended suicide watch. there'd be a constant monitoring of that person. does it read as lodgical to you someone this famous being accused of peridation o...

Joining me now is carol lenning, investigative reporter for "the washington post." good morning, carol. thank you for being here. and i want to refer you to your own tweet from yesterday, and you tweeted this. you tweeted people close to epstein fear he was murdered. as epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier. he was described as being in good spirits in recent days. so two questions for you. question number one, i want you to detail a little bit more about this allegation because what you're referring to here are people close to epstein with a p...

Cop at the door about every 9 minutes whether you're on suicide watch or not. do you know the inside of this facility well enough to know if it would be physically possible for somebody to hang themselves inside one of these cells? >> absolutely not. i'm not an expert on this facility. i believe there are a lot of protections to prevent this kind of thing from happening, but here it has happened. we just don't know enough yet to say how it happened. just as we still don't know two weeks later what happened on july 23rd, i think that, you know, it's scary and worrisome for conspiracy theorists ...

I know everybody is sort of banging a gavel on the table, you know, justice for the victims of epstein and that makes sense but under this global agreement which may have been really inappropriate and sure looks like it how do you bring a new fresh case? i'd be interested in hearing about that behind the covers. >> and also whether or not any prosecutions of any alleged coconspirators and my last question to you, carol, having talked to people close to jeffrey epstein and given their fears of what they think happened to him, do you expect there to be an autopsy that the family might at some po...

Suicide watch for a while, and as my great colleagues of "the washington post" have reported he was taken off suicide watch a few days before he was found dead, and their second piece of their question, forgive me, i'm going to it quickly, the people close to epstein don't have any theories about what happened. they have the fear that all smart people who watch prison deaths unfold have, which is this guy had a lot of secrets. did anybody want him dead? this guy is accused of being a rampant serial pedophile. those people also end up dead in prisons often. was he attacked? he claimed that he w...