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It is real but robert with he joinsus tonight. professor, thanks so much for joining us. somewhat of a delay so i'm going to ask my question that i hope you will answer it in full. you after looking into this quite extensively seem convinced that this is in fact not a physical symptom at all, this is not a weapon that it something else. tell us whatt you think it is, f you would. >> this case can be summarized in a single sentence. when you see the sound -- first thing course is, not. doctors at the state department want the most exotic hypothesis early on. they were searching for unicorns whe...

Into it has serious doubts that it is real. at auckland university in new zealand joins us tonight. thank you for joining us, i'm going to ask my question and i hope you will answer it in full. after looking into this, quite extensively, you seem convinced this is not, in fact, a physical symptom at all. this is not a weapon that it's something else. tell us what you've concluded, if you would. >> this case can be summarized in a single sentence. when you hear the sound of hoofbeats in the night, first think horses, not zebras. the doctors at the state department went for the most exotic hypot...

I'm joined now by dr robert bartholomew in auckland, new zealand, a medical sociologist who has written a book about this phenomemon as the co—author of havana syndrome: mass psychogenic illness and the real story behind the embassy mystery and hysteria. watch back the title of the book gives us a clue as to what you think. you don't think it is real? that is correct. look, this case can be summarised in a single sentence. when you hear the sound of hoof beats in the night, first thing horses, not sea birds. the doctors in the state department went for the most exotic hypothesis early on. th...