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This is not a place that had expert decent in managing. >> there are things that should go away. so palm is hanging on here, producing things, producing things, wasting u.s. resources when they just need to go away and that happens in the world and because -- >> karl smith, to the employees of palm, you're fired. so the management of the company, right, almost never has an incentive to shut the company down. >> there are people who get paid to do the hard work of shutting down businesses that need to be shut down. and they, you know, these guys swoop in and they heartlessly shut down businesse...