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There is a lot of other members of the organization facing previous indictments, including serious indictments involving conspiracy cartridges and other things. but i wonder if there was anything in the new indictments unsealed today that was surprising to you. i'll tell you read going as a non-expert observer of these things i was surprised by the extent and expense of the arsenal, the actual arsenal of weapons that they both assembled on the day of january 6th but also around the time of january 6th and leading up to the inauguration. that was -- that leapt out as something that was new deta...

Also around the time of january 6th and leading up to the inauguration.th that was -- that leapt out as something that was new detail i didn't understand before. but as a more expert observer, what surprised you if anything? >> i think that's right.- indi it does show a higher degree of militarization and weaponization than we have seen in the lower level indictments. i think partly that's because typically building a big case a of -- a seditious conspiracy case often rests on sort of the prosecutorial efforts and the fruits of the other lower stakes prosecutions leading up to that moment. so ...