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I think there's -- >> you could be a grifter, but you could understand what the ramifications and the consequences are to lying to a federal judge or to a grand jury. >> you can always end up paying money for your taxes for the money that you earned and then you didn't report. >> i think there's only two reasonable explanations for why manafort is lying, knowing that by lying he's potentially going to spend the rest of his life behind bars. explanation a, he expects that president trump is going to pardon him. and explanation b is he thinks it's better to spend the rest of his life behind bars...

Jury. >> you can always end up paying money for your taxes for the money that you earned and then you didn't report. >> i think there's only two reasonable explanations for why manafort is lying, knowing that by lying he's potentially going to spend the rest of his life behind bars. explanation a, he expects that president trump is going to pardon him. and explanation b is he thinks it's better to spend the rest of his life behind bars than to face the wrath of his former russian business associates who have a way of settling these things with polonium-laced tea. either way it doesn't speak we...