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Before the break we heard part of a conversation between ken starr and joe lockhart. they applied what happened in the late '90s to what we're seeing today as president trump faces multiple investigations. with us now to discuss, cnn legal analyst carrie cordero. and john bale. carrie i messed that up both times. john sale is with us as well, a former assistant special watergate prosecutor, both of you very great legal minds. i'm happy to have you with us. ken starr offered the moral view of obstruction and the legal view, do you agree with that distinction? >> my first impression was, that it...

Have such sit-downs. i think i know a lot about obstruction, unfortunately, but it's the first time i ever heard judge starr's expression moral obstruction. there's no such thing. there's legal obstruction where we can debate what that means. the statute requires a corrupt intent and the constitution article 2 does give the power -- certain unlimited powers to the president. you might call it political obstruction and that's a matter of counting votes. whether or not you want to indict a president for something like president clinton did when you don't have the votes to convict him. moral obst...

Manafort case we've seen no evidence of collusion. >> but joe is talking about obstruction of justice that we have seen evidence of if you believe all of the tweets about a witch-hunt and the firing of the fbi, the head of fbi. do you consider that obstruction of justice about this investigation? >> we did not charge president clinton with obstruction of justice because of james carvel, sydney blumenthal and an entire army. president clinton was very clever and shrewd because others did the dirty work. we were continually attacked, constantly attacked. our motives and so forth, our operations ...

Look at what the law of obstruction, you can have the moral view of obstruction, and then you can have the legal view, what is, in fact, constitutes the crime of obstruction of justice -- >> hold on a second. >> hold on, joe. >> president trump went on television -- >> there is no corrupt motive that has been defined by the supreme court of the united states and that's where -- in this room, i have said, don't be so broad minded, so to speak in saying this constitutes obstruction of justice. it doesn't obstruct justice to do what the president has the power to do, which is to fire the head of ...

Why -- when he went on tv, he just felt like he had to let it all out and he said i fired him because i wanted to stop the russia investigation, because i think the russia investigation is a witch-hunt. there may be in some narrow, legal eagle place where that is an obstruction of justice. to the rest of us, it is the obstruction of justice on the face of it. >> but he didn't shut down the investigation. that's one of the key things. he could have said this investigation -- >> he then tried to remove and fired his attorney general. what else do you need to see that is obstruction? what else? w...