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The news gathering process broadly defined, even though it's deeply sleazy. and i could see prosecutors hesitating to sort of get in the middle of this. it's disgraceful journalism. it's disgraceful behavior. whether it's an actual crime, i am frankly not prepared to say at this point. >> what -- what are the -- what is the difference between what they're doing and what you would think of as extortion or blackmail? they're saying you published something in your paper, i mean, it's like a kidnapper saying you publish this or i'm going release these -- >> right. but they would argue is we're jus...

It's like a kidnapper saying you publish this or i'm going release these -- >> right. but they would argue is we're just trying to get "the washington post" to report accurately, and we're using the leverage we have. now, you know, it's certainly a deeply shabby way to do that, but that's a little different from me saying to you give me a million dollars or i'll kill you. that's sort of the classic extortion scenario. the, you know, print this or we print these photographs, i just don't know. it might be, but i'm not prepared to say, you know, off the top of my head that this is definitely a c...

His son and that extortion scenario. we know that high-profile folks with a bull's-eye on their forehead. megyn: i don't know whether they are true or not true. but if they are not true you can't sue if you are a public figure. it's impossible to sue for definition. now he's been abled with this illicit seeking -- the whole bit, he's labeled with it and effectively if it's not true there is nothing he can do. >> first of all he can't sue for defamation because the allegations are made in the context of litigation. but if he's ultimately successful, you are the first win your case, then you can...