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Regime in the middle east with the exception of israel is committing human rights violations on a regular basis. and i just think that this overemphasis on this incident by saudi arabia, i think this is very, very dangerous. it is one of america's closest allies. they have a lot of human rights abuses. but i think it would be a tremendous mistake to undermine or to rattle the saudi regime when it is one of the few absolutely pro american regimes in the middle east. >> you say it's one of the few absolutely pro american regimes in the middle east. the hijackers on 9/11 did come from saudi arabi...

>> well, i've heard all those things, too. and it's possible. you know, the thing is is that he's kind of a mystery guy. i think the big question is this. we've got these regimes, not just the saudis, but every regime in the middle east with the exception of israel is committing human rights violations on a regular basis. and i just think that this overemphasis on this incident by saudi arabia, i think this is very, very dangerous. it is one of america's closest allies. they have a lot of human rights abuses. but i think it would be a tremendous mistake to undermine or to rattle the saudi regi...

Nuclear power and help for education. they've gotten a lot of attention, extremist schools. it would be in the u.s. interest to have more moderate schools in pakistan. >> now that the military relationship -- some big praise from the secretary of defense and chairman of joint chiefs. >> no question about that. they called the efforts the pakistanis may extraordinary. here's more from those leaders. >> they understand this. their civilian government understands this and their troops paid a heavy price, suffering thousands of casualties in recent years in taking on these guys. >> the challenge i...