alt-right movement within which anti-semitism and racist troeps are pervasive. bannon s appointment drawing sharp condemnation. the spokesman for harry reid saying quote it is easy to see why the kkk views trump as their champ when trump appoints one of the foremost peddlers of white supremacist themes and rhetoric as his top aide. the ceo of the anti-defamation league calling it a quote, sad day. the executive director of the council on american islamic relations says the appointment of bannon sends the disturbing message that the anti-muslim conspiracy theories and white nationalist ideology will be welcome in the white house. as thousands across the country protest against trump for the fifth straight day, trump addressing his supporters who have harassed minorities in his first tv interview. post-election. i say stop it. allen silly is a former communications director for ted cruz and hilary rosen is a cnn political commentator. brian stelter is the cnn senior media correspondent. welcome to all of you. good morning. so, brian, i want to start with you. and i want to get in to who steve bannon is, and why so many minority rights organizations have a problem with him. because he is a bomb thrower. provocateur. a man that is a symbol of the alt-right movement. and the alt-right movement means many things one of the things it means is a white identity politics. white nationalism. that s why we heard some people say this is white supremacy is a disguise. now steve bannon rejects that entirely. says he has nothing to do with that. he told me months ago this is all about populism sweeping the globe. but the bottom line, carol, is that reince priebus on the morning shows today said donald trump will be a president for all of americans. that s not who steve bannon is. that s not what breitbart is. breitbart is not a website for all americans. it s a website for the alt-right. so we re getting two messages, for steve bannon and the campaign moving forward. i do think, being an outsider is one thing. promoting white nationalist policies is quite another. if you go to the breitbart headlines of the past, steve bannon was editor, right, of breitbart and i m just going to read one, he said head line there not too long ago dear straight people i m officially giving you permission to say gay f-a-g-g-o-t and we re. i mean look at these headlines in breitbart. hillary, is there a difference between an outsider and a white nationalist provocateur? like i think so many people there s a huge difference, and that i think hilary. there s a huge difference, and you know, as brian said this breitbart news has fomented division and anger, and fear in people, and you know, i hate to see, frankly, what power they could have when they have the full resources and secrets of the federal government to attack people with. and the idea that steve bannon will be conspiring with, you know, right wing media, to send messages out, and kind of appalling to me. but this is really about two donald trumps. and donald trump not having an ideology. people are used to our president actually caring about something. and what we have here is, you know, steve bannon s appointment being focused on fomenting the kind of outsider, white nationalist movement and reince priebus making sure that, you know, the banks get their lobbying deals, and that climate change is repealed, and that, you know, essentially the government is handed back to big corporations, and fat cats. and so you have kind of the combination of these two things, and the little guy that donald trump says he got elected for, in my view, ends up getting screwed because those people are not going to protect them. well, well here s the thing. i think that there is a line of thought that, that, you know, we ve become too politically correct in this country, minorities have too much power, it s time to right the ship, you need someone like steve bannon in there to do just that, right? and also, trump trump supporters saying when mr. trump says things he doesn t mean them literally, he just needs to sort of even things out. and one good example of that may be the wall. right? because on his website even this morning it still says he wants to build an impenetrable physical wall that mexico will pay for. but last night on 60 minutes he said something different. let s listen. could be it could be some fencing. what about the pledge to deport millions and millions of undocumented immigrants? what we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, there are a lot of these people. probably 2 million, could even be 3 million. we re getting them out of our country, or we re going to incarcerate. but, we re getting them out of our country. they re here illegally. okay, so, so, david, maybe donald trump means when he says he s going to build this impenetrable wall and have mexico pay for it he doesn t quite mean that literally. but he is going to get something done and won t that be enough for his supporters? well, i think that remains to be seen, carol. i mean, that is what we ve already looked at in the last couple of days with some of the statements that president-elect trump has made. he has, in that interview clip that you just played, he was backing off this idea that he s going to build this big physical structure of the wall across the entire border with no fencing, just a big, as he said, big, beautiful wall and make mexico pay for it. he sounded more measured on that. he has made signals in the last couple of days that he is rethinking some of the specifics on the affordable care act saying he wants to keep in place letting people keep their kids on their insurance plan until they re 26. making insurers cover people who have pre-existing conditions. you know, if you re a fan of someone being moderate and judicious in the way they approach their job as president, i guess you could say those are good things. the difficulty is that one, those aren t the promises that he made on the campaign trail. and that number two is, is that if you re not supposed to take trump literally at his word on what he said on the campaign, how are you supposed to evaluate now what he says going forward when he s making some, what i would say are significant changes to his approach, at least rhetorically, in just the first few days of his transition? something he seems to be like toeing the line on very carefully is this idea of locking hillary clinton because those were campaign chants during the campaign lock her up. he said yesterday over the weekend that he was thinking about maybe firing the fbi director. he didn t really know. but as you know the president can appoint an fbi director. and then he said he wouldn t totally take off the table that notion that somehow hillary clinton will be prosecuted. let s listen. you called her crooked hillary, said you wanted to get her to go to jail, your people in your audiences kept saying lock her up. yeah. she did some bad things. i know but a special prosecutor? i don t want to hurt them. i don t want to hurt them. they re good people. i don t want to hurt them. and i will give you a very, very good and definitive answer the next time we do 60 minutes together. so, rebecca, thoughts? well, it does look like he is beginning to back away, carol, from his campaign promise to appoint a special prosecutor. his assessment apparently being that now that the campaign is over, it s less important to settle those scores with a former political rival. and if that is the case, and again his statement is really hard to dissect at this point, and really know what he truly means, or wants, but that should encourage a lot of people on the democratic side, i would imagine, who were very, very worried when we were hearing these chants at his rallies. when he was talking about a special prosecutor, especially because this begins to sound like sort of a third world country sort of thing that you are threatening to jail your former political opponents once you win. so i think this should be encouraging for a lot of people. and certainly it s going to be very difficult for donald trump to unite the country, as he says he wants to, if he s actively pursuing a case against hillary clinton, his former political rival. all right. i have to leave it there. thanks to all of you. still to come in the newsroom it s not just protests. a new report shows hateful harassment is up post-election. and will having a man with white nationalist ties so close to the oval office just fan the flames more? theraflu. for a powerful comeback. new expressmax caplets. it has been six days since america elected a new president and we re still a nation divided. protests planned again today in tucson and in los angeles. the lapd already dealing with several days of protests. 8,000 people marched through downtown saturday. across the country also large protests in places like new york, portland and philadelphia. this election has set us back, and has definitely shown in the world that we are not as advanced as we think we are. i have been aghast at the the behavior of donald trump. i think his racist and xenophobic rhetoric has been very disruptive. i am a single father. i pay my taxes. i m scared. i really am scared. of being deported to a country that i am not familiar with. the protesters, because of incidents like this, graffiti reading trump nation, whites only, that was discovered on sunday morning, sprayed on a wall at an episcopal church in a heavily latino neighborhood just outside of washington, d.c. the southern poverty law center says this is not an isolated incident. it has counted more than 300 cases of election related harassment and intimidation across the country. so let s talk about that. cnn s correspondent rachel crane has been looking into it. good morning. good morning, carol. one of the most disturbing things about these incidents is that the southern poverty law center is saying that the most commonly reported location of these incidents of hate crime, of these incidents of the you know racist graffiti are happening in schools. children k. through 12 engaging in this type of horrific behavior. they say that more than 40 incidents have been reported at schools. now, in michigan, at a middle school, we saw in a cafeteria children chanting build the wall, build the wall. there s a video of that. it s been viewed millions of times on social media. incredibly disturbing. to see them engaging in that type of behavior. also in minnesota at a high school we saw racist graffiti, pro-trump graffiti in a bathroom reading white america, also reading go back to africa. trump let s make america great again. also, in a high school in california, we saw a student giving out fake deportation letters to minority students. you know, this isn t just happening in high schools and middle schools, also in colleges. we saw a student at san diego state university being accosted by two people, she was wearing a hij hijab, they were spewing racial slurs, they skoel her purse, skoel her keys, stole her car. we re also seeing graffiti not just in schools but across the country in philadelphia, because in north carolina graffiti reading black lives don t matter. your vote doesn t matter. carol, just incredibly disturbing. there are some would say because you mentioned a number, 40 high schools and middle schools across the country. we live in a country of 330 million people, right? so some people might say, you know, so a tiny fraction, you know, a tiny number of idiots across the country are doing these things. but it s not a widespread problem. so how would you characterize it. well, you know, the southern poverty law center coming out and saying just this morning on cnn, there have been more than 300 incidents of this since donald trump was elected president. and they re calling on donald trump to take more responsibility for these instances. you know, just last night on 60 minutes donald trump did acknowledge that a handful of these incidences were occurring calling on the people committing these crimes to stop it. but, you know, the president of the southern poverty law center saying that there are actually hundreds of these crimes happening not just a handful. thanks so much. so here we are. there is real fear, i hear it in new york, they re surprised at this, i hear it from my family in ohio. so how do we as a nation process this? here s dave chappelle on snl. a few weeks ago i went to the white house for a party. it was the first time i had been there many years, and and it was very exciting. and b.e.t. had sponsored the party. so everyone there was black. and, it was beautiful. i walked through the gates. you know, i m from washington, so i saw the bus stop, the the corner where the bus stop used to be where i used to catch the bus to school and dream about nights like tonight. it was a really, really beautiful tonight. and at the end of the night everyone went into the west wing of the white house, and it was a huge party. and everybody in there was black except bradley cooper for some reason. and on the because were pictures of all the presidents of the past. now i m not sure if this is true but to my knowledge the first black person that was officially invited to the white house was fredrierick douglass, they stopd him at the gates. abraham lincoln himself had to walk out and escort frederick douglass at the white house. it didn t happen again as far as i know until roosevelt was president. roosevelt was president, he had a black guy over and got so much flak from the media that he literally said i will never have a nigger in this house again. i thought about that, and i looked at that and i saw all those black faces around it, and i saw and i saw how happy everybody was. these people who had been historically disenfranchised. and it made me feel hopeful. and it made me feel proud to be an american. and it made me very happy about the prospects. so in that spirit, i m wishing donald trump luck, and i m going to give him a chance, and we, the historically disenfranchised demand that he give us one, too. thank you very much. all right so that s one point of view. but this is why many minority groups worry. donald trump appointed that man name steve bannon. a man white nationalists embrace and for good reason. bannon s breitbart launched headlines like these. bill kristol a renegade jew. why islam is the single greatest threat to civilization. the ten things milo hates about islam. and six reasons pamela gellar s muhammad cartoon contest is no different from selma let s talk about the divide in our country with the executive director of c.a.r.e., welcome, sir. can you say hello to me again? because i didn t hear you. sure, yeah. oh, good. i was worried there was something wrong with your audio. i m glad there isn t anything. there are there are many people in this country that say the left wing is just in a state of hysteria right now and they should give this man a chance, so why aren t they? well, it would have legitimate concerns, and when you when you see that the president-elect appoints someone who holds anti-semitic, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant theories, you wonder, are we going to move this country forward? are we going to heal this country in the next few years? and i think the message that we see by appointing an all-right wing theorist we see it the very own message that our nation needs now. our nation is divided. our nation has been wounded. with what we have seen in the past few months and if we would like to move forward we have to appoint chief strategists who believe in the plurality, diversity and core principles of let me let me let me put it this way. steve bannon has long been a part of donald trump s campaign. so, people went out and voted. and that includes 29% of hispanics, for donald trump, and 8% of african-americans for donald trump. those are larger percentages than voted for mitt romney. so he does have some support in the minority community. yeah, true. and even a small number among american muslims voted for him. we re not talking about now donald trump himself. we re talking about appointing people who do not believe in the plurality and diversity and the core principles of this country. and we hold the president in the highest standard in defending the rights of all americans and those who arrive in the united states. by appointing steve bannon, president-elect trump is continuing to advance division and, unfortunately, dispute within americans but what, what, what is your fear about steve bannon? what, what policies might he push forward that concern you? conspiracy theories against muslims, jews, people of color, anti-women sentiment, so, you know, i can t imagine how the president of the united states will bring a bigot, and oppose that will divide america further to be a chief strategist for him in the white house. one of the most important positions in the white house, in the people s house, should have people who believe in the plurality and diversity of this country to unite americans and to heed the warnings that we have seen over so how will how will your organization help heal the wounds? what will your organization do going forward, now that you know that steve bannon is trump s chief strategic guy? by speaking truth to power. by speaking to the president. by advising him. by telling him that the appointment of a bigot in the white house does not serve america, does not unite america, it will further deepen our wounds. and president-elect trump has said on 60 minutes that he would like to bring americans together by appointing steve bannon, that is not the way to do you still have hope that mr. trump is serious when he says he wants to unite america? well i are you going to give him a chance? america needs to be united. and the president-elect now in a position to make serious and important, you know, statements by bringing people who are and we believe he has the wrong people to advise him es special ply in this key position. mr. bannon has bigoted views a will bring bigoted policies and that will not help advancing unity among americans, and making this country move forward. all right i have to leave it there. mr. awad thank you so much for joining me this morning. still to come in the newsroom, so much for repealing and replacing obamacare. now donald trump says he doesn t want to next all of obamacare. so does he mean kind of a version of trump care? we ll talk about that next. but first the opening bell moments away, is the market ready to hit another record? alison kosik is with me. good morning. the trump rally ready to roll into a second week. we are seeing the dow open at a fresh record high. that s after a string of big gains boosted by donald trump s win. look at the dow, up more than 5% over that span of time. that s about 1,000 points. also predictions of a big drop of that, never materialized.ll - so you re seeing investors focus now on pro-business, pro-growth policies like tax cuts, and deregulations. so as we get into the trading day we see the s&p 500 about 1% away from a record of its own. investors are dumping gold, they re dumping bonds, they re buying into the market, and because of this market reaction, along with a stronger economic growth we ve seen lately, carol, we can expect to see the fed, everybody see the fed raise rates next month. all right. i know you ll keep an eye on it for us. thanks so much. i ll be right back. i am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor. and i know a thing or two about trading. so i trade with e trade, where true traders trade on a trademarked trade platform that has all the. get off the computer traitor! i won t. 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is he trying to is he is he is he going for like an obamacare-light program? it sounds to me like trump is trying to say he s going to protect some of the parts of obamacare that are most popular without actually laying out a plan for doing so. so for example, one of the fundamental gains of obamacare is ending discrimination in insurance markets. no longer allowing insurers to deny insurance coverage to people just because they re sick or charge them higher prices. he hasn t mentioned that. pre-existing conditions exclusions, that s nice. but that doesn t solve the problem. so my wife, for example, a breast cancer survivor. what trump laid out if she went to the insurer, the insurer could say yeah if we offered you health insurance we d make sure to cover your breast cancer but guess what we re not going to offer you health insurance because you re sick? trump has to address that problem. so, so, so he keeps like i guess this still would have to go through congress, right? so let s say he keeps the parts of the law that, that people really like. what would that do to all of our premiums? if, if, if he could keep all of the elements that, that you say that the point is about obamacare it s complicated for a reason. the part people like is ending insurance discrimination. not allowing insurers to deny my wife coverage because she s a breast cancer survivor. however you can t have that unless you also make sure that people can afford insurance so that the healthy buy it and you get healthy people into the risk group. to just say we re going to keep the parts people like and get rid of the parts people don t, we ve tried that. seven states tried that in the 1990s. they tried to tell insurers you can t discriminate against the sick. in every single case it destroyed the insurance market, premiums went through the roof and the insurance market shrunk to a fraction of its previous size. you can t have it both ways. if you want to tell insurers they can t discriminate you need an individual mandate and subsidies to make sure healthy people come into the pool. why couldn t the government put price controls on insurance companies? the government could try to put price controls on insurance companies but then insurance companies could a, exit the market. and say i m just not going to offer insurance in this market. there s nothing the government can do about that. or b deny sick people coverage or say at that price i m not going to offer coverage to sick people. the point is the government cannot force go ahead. it s okay. the bottom line is, you can t have it both ways. if you want insurance companies to cover everyone fairly, you have to bring healthy people into the pool. and the only way to do that is with a combination of tariffs, which is tax credits to make health insurance affordable, and a stick which is a mandate to bring the healthy people in to buy insurance. i have heard i ve heard a lot of people say, you know what, there s 22 million people in obamacare right now, a large majority of them are are poor people who can t afford insurance but if they re tikd off with obamacare they ll just go to medicaid. is it as simple as that? no it s not. the 22 million people who are on obamacare right now are on parts of medicaid that didn t exist before. so for example, before on medicaid, if you were, say, 25-year-old, or say a 30-year-old single woman with no children, and an income of $5,000 a year, you had no access to health insurance. that simply didn t exist. obamacare expanding medicaid said we re going to guarantee our poorest citizens, very poorest citizens a right to health insurance coverage. in those states that choose to expand medicaid. if you take that away then a woman like that simply has no coverage options. okay. jonathan gruber, thanks for stopping by. we ll all see what happens together. thank you so much. still to come in the newsroom, people in aleppo, syria, flee now or face heavy bombing within 24 hours. it s the look on their faces that make it all worthwhile. thank you santa!!! now lease the 2017 c300 for $389 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. imagine getting a text that your city is going to be bomd and you better get out when you can. people in aleppo, syria, are not imagining that. they re living it. that s the text they got and syrian rebels in the city are being told to lay down their weapons or die. cnn is following that from amen, jordan for us. good morning. good morning, carol. according to residents of eastern aleppo that we ve spoken to, they say early on sunday they received these various text messages that they believe are from the syrian regime, really with a warning, addressed to the rebels in eastern aleppo, but also to the residents, a warning, an ultimatum, giving people 24 hours, telling the rebels to lay down their weapons, or even leave the city, and they re really warning of a military assault that they say is going to be launched on eastern aleppo. the people that we ve spoken to, carol, say this is something they ve seen in the past, these sorts of messages, they ve received them in the past on leaflets that have been dropped on their neighborhoods or broadcast through state media. they feel this is part of the psychological warfare and intimidation tactics to spread fear amongst the population in eastern aleppo. but, at the same time, there is this real sense of apprehension amongst the people in eastern aleppo, those that we have spoken to are absolutely terrified, carol, of what they feel might be an all-out military assault by the syrian regime, and their russian allies that could start any minute now. all right. jomana reporting live for us from jordan. thanks so much. still to come in the newsroom more americans picked clinton but trump won the white house. now some, well, some mostly on the left are saying it is time to change the electoral system. hey dad! wishes do come true. the lincoln wish list sales event is on. get exceptional offers on the lincoln family of luxury vehicles. sign and drive off in a new 2017 lincoln mkc with zero down and a complimentary first month s payment. college over the years, including by the way, newt gingrich. now, look, is this going to have any practical effect? well, in one sense, no. hillary clinton in the end will win the popular vote probably by a record in american history. right now she s up as you mentioned 700,000 or so. the estimates are that she will end up winning by one and a half to two million votes. that s a lot of votes. you may remember al gore won the popular vote but he won it by 540,000. much, much fewer than hillary clinton. so you know, it has practical effects on a president because it gives his critics a useful retort to any proposal he makes. well, you weren t elected by the people. you were elected by this antiquated invention of the founders that fit the 1790s but doesn t fit the 21st century. although his new chief of staff, reince priebus, put it another way this morning. let s listen. he played the exact strategy that a smart person would play in the 12 states that mattered and he won significantly. so i get the obsession over the popular vote but that s really not what this election was all about. okay. this was not what this election was all about. he said if donald trump had gone to california, he probably would have won california but he didn t choose to go there. there s absolutely zero chance that he would have even come close in california. newt gingrich made the same argument yesterday that if the popular vote mattered, donald trump would have campaigned in california and won at least two million more votes which is of course, absurd on its face. but you also have to ask what would hillary clinton have done. well, her campaign which was well organized and had tons of money would have organized the blue parts of red states. they didn t bother to organize the college towns and big cities in red states because they knew it was hopeless. they weren t going to win the electoral vote. but if they had done so, she would have picked up millions of additional votes. so this is an argument that is a non-starter. so how likely is it that anything will change when it comes to the electoral college? carol, you know the gallop poll for many users, even decades, has shown that a very large majority of americans wants to abolish this crazy institution, the electoral college. we are the only democracy in the world that doesn t count the popular vote. you can win the popular vote, you can lose the presidency. it s already happened five times in american history. it s going to be happening more frequently as long as we have close elections and the democrats will be disproportionately disadvantaged by this. so all i can tell you is if the people have their way, it would be abolished, because we are incapable of reforming our system and i say that sadly. the electoral college will be abolished on the 12th of never. just quickly, remind us why there s an electoral college anyway. well, there s an electoral college for a number of reasons. certainly one reason was it was a request slash demand of mal r smaller states particularly those that were slave states, mainly because the founders did not trust the people. we had no popular election in the beginning. we went through five presidential elections before we got to or five presidents before we got to a popular vote in the 1820s and even then it was extremely limited to a relative handful of white men, mainly propertied men. no women, no african-americans, so on. so it s been a long, hard process to broaden the franchise and this is an important point to make. it still shows that the franchise is not universal because the people don t pick the president. have to leave it there. thanks for stopping by. the next hour of cnn newsroom after a break. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? 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flight, an air canada flight, arrived in that very terminal on a flight from alaska earlier today, that he waited for his luggage along with the other passengers on that flight, that he retrieved his bags where he had checked firearms. these are firearms that you can legally check with the airline. and he legally was able to do that. he went to a bathroom, retrieved the firearm and came back out and started shooting. according to the initial investigations, it doesn t appear that he was targeting anyone in particular. he appeared to be shooting ram donnelly. there was no rym or reason to the shooting. but it appears that a lot of the people who he would have shot and some of the people that were killed might have been some of the passengers that were on this flight. again, he came on a flight, an air canada flight we re told, that came from alaska and landed earlier at ft. lauderdale international airport. again, this is a twist on something we ve never seen before. again, we ve seen shootings at airports where people come from outside the airport with firearms. you don t normally see somebody coming from an aircraft that s gone through security, again, with secured luggage. and then retrieving a firearm. this is not something that we ve seen before. again, this is still early in the investigation. there s still a lot of witnesses to be interviewed. there s surveillance camera footage to look at to see exactly how long this took. we don t know everything about his movements. again he appeared to arrive on this flight and then started shooting once he emerged from the bathroom. evan perez, stay there. i know you ll continue to speak to law enforcement sources here in washington. i want to go to cnn s boris sanchez, he is live at ft. lauderdale/hollywood international airport. i know that just after the shooting, there was a great deal of confusion and fear at the airport. we saw pictures of people after the gunman was taken, still running in fear. but now police are saying they re confident there was just a lone gunman here. that s right, jim. we actually heard from the broward county sheriff about 20 to 30 minutes ago and he told us that reports of a second shooter were unsubstantiated, they were simply rumors. we heard people screaming and running shortly after we saw a group of about six armed and heavily armed uniformed officers running across from terminal 2. this is terminal 2, this is where the shooting happened. this is the second floor. the shooting happened on the lower level in baggage claim. we saw the officers running across into these parking garages here and that s what really kicked off just panic here. there were people running in all directions from terminal 2 on to the runways from terminal 1, down here to where we re standing now, and then on to the runways. it was sheer chaos. things are much calmer now, but as the sheriff of broward county said earlier, this is still a fluid situation. officers from just about every jurisdiction and the southeastern part of florida are here. there are helicopters in the air, tactical vehicles as you saw a moment ago driving around. this is still an ongoing investigation. as you said, and as you heard from evan earlier, it appears that the shooter in this case arrived on an air canada flight, terminal 2 is the delta and air canada terminal, and then he apparently, sources say, went into the rest room, retrieved a weapon from his bag, and opened fire, killing at least five people, eight others were rushed to the hospital. there s no word yet on a motive. we understand that the shooter was put into custody without incident. he s being questioned as you said by local and federal investigators. one interesting point to note, especially because we saw so many officers go into these parking garages, i asked the broward county sheriff if, perhaps, they had identified a vehicle here at the ft. lauderdale airport that might belong to the shooter. he told me that at the time we were speaking to him he did not have a vehicle that belonged to the shooter that they were able to identify. again, this is a very delicate situation. still there are hundreds of people that are stranded. i believe we actually have one here now. sir, nice to meet you. nice to meet you. hear the initial shots. i heard the commotion. i was actually i just had back surgery and i was in a wheelchair and just had gotten through security so i saw the commotion and heard the people. i thought maybe just a fight or something had broken out at security. i actually was at the first gate that the wheelchair stopped at and got a call from my mom saying, what s going on. and i had no idea. i just heard the screaming. and not five minutes later, people came running down the hall screaming gun, gunman was coming. so everybody, you know, ran and luggage flying, purses flying, and i can t move very fast because of my surgery so i got up and started hobbling and all the restaurants were closing their cages and getting people into hiding places and a woman frozen kind of in the middle of the hallway and her child made it into the gate, so i took her into a corridor. we were stuck in that corridor about the last 45 minutes or so and then escorted out with guys with long guns and moved us away from the glass. so it does sound like maybe it was an unsubstantiated second threat. but people certainly weren t acting like it. ryan, it must have been horribly frightening for you, particularly you re injured. were people coming to your aid? what was the response from law enforcement and others inside the airport as this was happening? you know, a lot of confusion at first because people were aware that something has happened adjacent to us, but once everybody started running, i have to say the jetblue personnel, which is what i was flying, were great and the cops that came in initially the broward county sheriff local guys, they were great. i mean, since i was kind of stuck in a corridor with a woman who was frozen in fear, they just kind of guarded us on either side and stood there. and then like i said, finally escorted us out once some guys with long guns came in and they were homeland security guys, fbi, and now escorted us outside and kept us away from the windows. still see a lot of helicopters, lot of action but it seems to be calming down, but they definitely are still riding by with on the trunk of the cars with long guns out. so definitely not giving us the clear. in the midst of it i m told you shielded a child? there was a during the chaos? actually it was his mom. the child sat about ten feet from her and i handed the child to the chile s employee that was closing the gate quickly so they could hide and i ran back over, pushed the mom into a corner and laid on top of her. i m a big guy, so it was easy to cover her up. she was frozen. ryan, i m sorry you had to experience this, for anybody who went through this firsthand, but thank you for the help that you gave to others in need there. we appreciate it. i want to bring in the national security analyst julia kayyem, former assistant secretary for homeland security and phil mudd, a former cry counter terror aficial, tom fuentes, assistant fbi director with me here in washington. tom, a couple of things i would like to run by you in light of your experience. one, if you want to find a police with a big police presence it s, of course, america s airports today. this shooter struck in one of the least protected areas, in baggage claim, outside the security perimeter. baggage claim is open because people are arriving and may have luggage checked in. family members and others help them. they drive up and park, go to baggage claim, help them carry their stuff out. so yeah, they don t go through magna tumors to get in. you can have a threat from outside the airport easily or true in this case, if he had a gun in checked luggage, he can hide in a bathroom and go out on the sidewalk and come back in and begin shooting if that s what actually happened. julia kayyem, this is a situation, rare, that you have the shooter taken in custody unharmed. eyewitnesss have said that after firing these shots, he, in effect, laid down on the ground and waited to be taken. police able to take thhim, they say, with no shots fired. how unusual is that in your experience? it s very unusual for a preplanned attack. normally if this was something he flew across the country, at least from our understanding, you know, from alaska to florida, with a plan on doing this attack, you would think that his exit strategy was either to get out of the airport or to be killed. so this is very rare. so the other theory talking to law enforcement agents right now that i m hearing, the other theory is that something happened at the airport that triggered this, an altercation or something in baggage claim. those would be the only two theories, he didn t plan it, but he happened to have guns, or that the guns were, you know, sort of on the airplane and he planned to do this. because the rarity of getting someone who just sit downs and says here, take me away, has to be explained somehow and so those are the two theories of the case that investigators are looking at right now. and the suspect being questioned now. phil mudd if i can draw on your experience, i m told by officials that he had possible mental health issues, but, of course, it s early. the department of homeland security telling us there was no known motive at this time. tell us, if you can, the kinds of questions, the kinds of work investigators are doing now to figure out why he did this? first of all, i wouldn t be asking the question why at the moment. the first question is who. is there anybody else involved. was there a co-conspirator. if he s not mentally stable my first questions would be where are his friends, family, associates, does he have social media accounts that might suggest he was communicating to somebody about an attack. after that, i might get into motive. why did you do this. was it just a random act of violence. i m with juliette. this is odd you would bother to go across the country and buy a ticket to engage in a shooting incident at an airport against civilians whom you don t know. if you wanted to kill people why wouldn t you do it at the point of origin. a lot of unanswered questions. the first one, is there a single other person out there. that takes a while to figure that one out. tom, it is a way, though, to get a gun into an airport, is it not? put it in your checked baggage, legally check it, declare it, and when you pick it up you have a gun in an airport. i suppose you could walk into the baggage area as well because that s a place where, you know, there might be police around but you don t have to walk through metal detectors. hundreds of people travel legitimately with their firearms to go on a hunting trip or off-duty law enforcement or other military that may have weapons and check them in. there s procedures each airline has. tsa has for checking in a secure manner a firearm in your luggage, you know, making sure it has the right lock box and ammunition. the main issue is that firearm is not in the cabin. they re not in position to hijack the aircraft. when the plane lands they recover their luggage at baggage claim and once again they re reunited with their firearm. so yes, they could shoot on the front end of that through the detectors or ticket counter or on the back end when they recover it at the destination airport. julie ya kayyem, this is not the first time we ve seen shootings or terror attacks in that unsecured part of airports, remember look back at the istanbul attack a number of months ago in that area and the check-in area, outside of the security corridor, whenever that happens there s discussion why don t authorities move that cordon out further, right. is that something that homeland security has considered at various times and if so, why hasn t that step been take? well, it has been considered, but just to make it clear, so wherever you put the zone of security, there is going to be a zone of insecurity right next to it. you can move it out ten miles from the airport. mile 10.01 there will be insecurity. and the other aspect to this is, we are a global economy, global aviation. if you put too much security on any of these airports, you will i mean basically you re going to impede the movement of people and things. millions of people a day domestically fly and you re constantly weighing the challenge of security and flow. what we do see and i just, you know, to sort of say this looks like chaos, you know, look, sometimes there s organized chaos. this looks exactly how you would want it to look from a homeland security and public safety perspective. active shooter case you want people to flee. you don t want them to stay put. you have them shelter in place to ensure things are good. it looks bad but this is the way you want it to work because you want to protect people. you will never make the airports perfectly secure. a lot of it has to do with weapons and the achlts of weapons that are out there and so we shouldn t believe that if only we put the security, you know, further back everything would be okay. there s more we can do to protect these unsecured areas, but at some stage you will have an insecure area. juliette, tom, fim, stay there. we re continuing to follow this story and we will come right back to this breaking story. but first more breaking news. this is cnn breaking news. as i said, we have more breaking news on a separate story. one we ve been following for some time. the government has just released the declassified intelligence report blaming russia for cyber attacks during the 2016 presidential race. this has been a great deal of anticipation for this for some time. and i just want to draw your attention to a few headlines from this. it says that vladimir putin aspired to help donald trump win the election. that, the judgment of the u.s. intelligence community. i want to go to cnn s pamela brown who has the report. pamela, reading these pages here, first of all they make clear at the top, you know, that this is intelligence, it s classified, we can t lift the veil on everything, but we will in effect tell you as much as we can. that stood out to me. we assess that putin and the russian government aspired to help president-elect donald trump s election chances here. what other headlines come out at you from this report? well, it talks about the range of motivations here and as you point out, this report does not mince words. it comes out and says we believe vladimir putin med led in the election process and tried to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. it listed a few reasons why. one of which putin publicly pointed to the panama papers disclosure and the olympic doping scandals as ways that the united states was trying to undermine russia and so in the view of the u.s. intelligence, putin wanted to do this to get back at the united states. it says, he sought to use disclosures to discredit the image of the united states and cast it as hypocritical and it talks about why he wanted to undermine hillary clinton, saying he most likely wanted to discredit secretary clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012 and because he holds a grudge, he almost certainly saw disparaging against him. it talks about why the u.s. believes he tried to help donald trump. it says moscow saw the election of president-elect trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the islamic state in iraq and it goes on to explain how the united states came to this conclusion. it says, we assess with high confidence that russian military intelligence, general staff main directorate, used the 2.0 persona and d.c. leaks.com as a way to release u.s. victim data. it says back in march that the military intelligence services stole these e-mails that we know were leaked from the dnc as well as john podesta, the clinton campaign chairman, and used this forum, the dcleaks.com and wikileaks in order to have the effect that the united states says russia wanted, which was to med dle in the process and help donald trump. it talked about the trolling operations, jim, and says it traced the likely financier of the so-called internet research agency, located in st. petersburg, russia, as a close putin ally with ties to russian intelligence. these are the troll operations that were apparently pushing out fake news. you heard james clapper say in that hearing yesterday that the russians were responsible for pushing out fake news against hillary clinton and the report says that is continuing to help this day and to expect more of this type of behavior from russia in the future. it also makes the point, i think this is important to emphasize and you heard this in donald trump s statement, there was no indication that the russians compromised or got involved in vote tallying. it said while the russian actors targeted multiple state or local electoral boards as we have been reporting, there s no indication that the russians got in there and actually messed with the vote tallies. jim? well, it s interesting that you make those points this was a comprehensive information operation. not just the attacks on the dnc, but also fake news, all intended it seems to sow doubt about the election. they made the point that the targets included associated with both major u.s. political parties. pamela brown, thanks very much. i want to bring in now california congressman adam schiff, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. thanks very much for joining us this afternoon. you bet. good to be with you. so you have the advantage, of course, of having seen the classified version of this report as well, but without delving into the classified, now that this is public, what do you find the most convincing evidence to back up the intelligence community s assessment here? well, jim, the evidence is really what comprises the classified version and unfortunately i can t go into, obviously, paramount importance is protecting our sources and methods. i m sure the russians would like to know how we know the contents of what s been released publicly. i will say i ve been on the committee almost ten years. this is about as iron clad a case as i ve seen on any major issue. i think the intelligence agencies really did great work here and i think those findings are well documented and supported and i hope their presentation today to donald trump will cause him to change his tune about this because i think the facts are really undeniable. now, adam schiff, we have donald trump s statement, that followed his briefing earlier this afternoon we re told went for an hour meeting with top intelligence officials. in the statement, he doesn t say explicitly yes, russia hacked the election. he said while russia, china and other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through, he goes on to say, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. seeing donald trump s response so far, in your view, is that sufficient? i m glad you raised that statement. no, it isn t. in fact, that statement is demonstrably false. the report did not go into whether this russian action changed the outcome of the election. in other words, had the determinative impact on the election. that s beyond the scope of what the intelligence agencies look at. the fact that there was no evidence of tampering with machines, doesn t mean that it didn t influence the outcome of the election as donald trump has said in his statement. in fact, quite the contrary. the daily dumping of damaging material to secretary clinton was enormously consequential in terms of her campaign, was enormously beneficial to donald trump and to ignore that, or to say it didn t happen, i think is quite inaccurate. and all of this was, of course, enabled by the russian cyber operations. let me ask you this, because you have been pushing for action on this for some time. the obama administration has come under criticism from republicans certainly, but also from democrats, for not acting earlier. because it was a month before the election when the intelligence community as you know expressed publicly they had confidence russia was attempting to hack and influence the election with a focus on dmtsic party. do you believe democratic party. do you believe the obama administration waited too long to act on this intelligence? i do believe they waited too long to act and this was point that senator feinstein and i made when we released our own statement about the russian involvement in the elections even before the intelligence community did. nonetheless that doesn t let either the russians off the hook or anyone else and it certainly doesn t mean that democrats and republicans shouldn t come together right now to develop all the counter measures we need to confront this russian covert influence operation in the united states and in europe, and i think we need to develop stronger sanctions against russia on what they did already if we re going to have any hope of deterring them in the future. i think it s save to say looking at donald trump s statements so far it s not exactly a fulsome endorsement of the intelligence community s assessment and as you know, up until this morning, he was disparaging the intelligence and as you know as well, had he s also called into question the capabilities of the u.s. intelligence community. from your perspective what do you what does the american public need to hear from president-elect donald trump now after those expressions of doubts? well, what s really missing from the president-elect statements today is, not just he had a good meeting with intelligence officials, but that he has looked at the evidence he looked at it now in detail, he knows the sources of that evidence, and he has convinced he is convinced the russians did this and there is going to be a price to pay for, he applauds the measures president obama took and we ought to do more and we re going to prevent russia from ever interfering in our elections in this way again. he hopes to have a different relationship with russia, that s fine, but he cannot continue to deny what has taken place and that is i think what he ought to be saying to the american people. congressman adam schiff, thanks very much. thanks, jim. i want to bring in now former california congresswoman jane harmon who served on the house intelligence committee and now president of the wilson center. jane harman, thanks for joining. you know intelligence matters very well. in your experience, have you seen the intelligence community lift the veil to the extent it has on its assessment that russia hacked the election? i think this is unprecedented, and add to that, that yesterday, the senate armed services committee really on a unanimous basis, aligned itself with the intelligence community evidence that this was clearly a hack. it s not just a hack of this election in 2016, but it goes back a decade according to the portions of the report i ve been able to read. that s three presidential elections. and it also, let s add in france and germany, as other targets of russia. most people think that where vladimir putin goes next is angela merkel to destabilize the last of the old generation of leadership in europe. so, with these tools, unfettered, russia uses offensive cyber to basically, as i see it, undermine democracy in the world. it s very serious. and i applaud trump s statement. i heard adam schiff, who now holds the position i did for some years on the intelligence committee, but i applaud donald trump for moving in the right direction and hopefully he will move further. just one last comment, jim, as we watch these events in ft. lauderdale unfold, it should remind all of us how important it is to have seamless, connected intelligence. maybe we could not have found this particular person, but when you look at how this overlay of law enforcement and other response is coming together, lots of this has to do with the corrective actions we took in congress after 9/11. we re much better prepared. you make a good point there. again we don t know the motivations of the shooter in florida, it s too early but that s essentially the intelligence community s job is to find intelligence, prevent bad things before they happen. i want to quote from donald trump s statement the final graph here, he says that we need to aggressively combat and stop cyber attacks. i will appoint a team to give me a plan within 90 days of taking office. if you were advising the president and his team, what steps would you advise them to take urgently? i know many republicans are calling for more severe sanctions than president obama imposed. what would you recommend? well a strong response against russia, even stronger than president obama s, is the first thing i would do. but you have to be careful. if we get into a tit for tat and we do something aggressive against russia in the nature that they did against us, we re ratcheting up danger to us. i don t know that that s where we go. some of this could not doesn t have to be public. i do agree with donald trump that not every move needs to be advertised. that would be number one. number two, i would encourage everyone in america to use the strictest cyber hygiene. a lot of this could have been prevented at the dnc if they had had better hygiene. i know at the wilson center, a think tank, understand that think tanks are targets, we have very strict cyber hygiene now and we train our people on it. if they can prevent this stuff from coming in to the dotcom space and we can do better in preventing it coming into the.gov, and we re doing a better job of that, that s another defense that the trump administration ought to roll out as fast as possible. congresswoman jane harman, thanks very much. thank you, jim. i want to return now to our other big breaking news story this hour, a mass shooting at ft. lauderdale airport. five people are dead. eight others are wounded. the airport remains shut down. the suspect, however, is in custody. and sources tell cnn he had a weapon in his checked bag, which he retrieved when he arrived there at ft. lauderdale. i want to bring back cnn justice correspondent pamela brown, she has new information on the shooter. what are we learning? we re learning, jim, investigators are looking into a possible altercation on the plane that the suspect was on from an core rage, alaska, to florida. there are been claims by witnesses, by some of those on the plane, that the suspect esteban santiago got into some sort of altercation on the plane with other passengers, and as we know, after he got off of that plane there in ft. lauderdale, he went into his checked bag, once it came through baggage claim, pulled out the gun that apparently he had filled out paperwork and declared before, and then opened fire, killing five people. we are still trying to get more information about this altercation and, of course, investigators, want to verify it. oftentimes as you know there are witness accounts, they want to corroborate that. the initial reports are that investigators are looking into this possible altercation between the suspect and passengers as a possible motive there for the shooting and in baggage claim at the ft. lauderdale airport. pamela, that would be enormously important, because it would imply, we want to caution our viewers these are early reports and facts, not conclusive at this point, it would be an indicator this was not previously planned. right? right. that it was more spontaneous, perhaps, a reaction to what happened on the flight? and that s exactly what investigators are looking at because, of course, when anything like this happens you want to figure out is this terrorism or some other motive at play here, some sort of issue, and so that is why this is a critical piece of evidence that investigators are looking at or claim i should say from the witnesses, this possible altercation may be one of the reasons, as you point out, sometimes there s multiple factors, but one of the reasons at least why he got off that plane and went into his checked bag and pulled that gun. we also are learning today, jim, that the suspect apparently was in the military. we know we heard from senator nelson earlier he had a military i.d. they were trying to verify the authenticity and we are told from our sources that, in fact, he was in the army. no criminal record we re told. we re trying to piece together more about the suspect or more about him, and that s the very late west he know right now. pamela brown, thank you very much. law enforcement officials saying there was some sort of altercation with the suspected shooter on the flight and after that altercation he went and retrieved the when and fired in the bag am area. i want to bring back julia kayyem, phil mudd and with me in washington cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. with that new information, tom fuentes, possible altercation on the flight, what does that tell you at this stage. at this point we don t know who he was having an argument with. did he know them before. is this a group of people who were already friends or went hunting together or something and had a previous argument, continued on the plane with each other and then he continues it afterward when he has the firearm, or are they complete strangers and argued about overhead bin space or some other issue on the plane. so that will be determined hopefully pretty soon by the fbi and police that are doing the interviews of him as well as the passenger witnesses as to and the victims who he was arguing with. why were you arguing. what was the cause of that. julewel julia kayyem, airpor are tense places, it can be a tense time. that is an argument for not allowing people to even check weapons when they travel? well, it will be very difficult. people carry weapons for a variety of reasons, hunting trips, or they re moving and need to move their lawful weaponry and so i think the clear thing that we re all picking up on now, it s still undetermined whether he entered the flight with the intention to do this in ft. lauderdale or if something triggered him. and look, something could trigger anyone in an airport and they could be armed even if they weren t a passenger and just come in through baggage claim. so we have a lot more to determine at this stage, but i have to say, the protocols for putting guns in checked baggage are pretty strict. you have to show that the gun is lawfully yours, it can t, of course, be loaded, you have to fill out forms and that s actually part of the security process that someone like me never worried that much about and we just have to determine whether this was someone who used a potential loophole to attack an airport or actually was someone this could have happened anywhere. he s deranged or has mental issues and used a gun in his possession to kill people at an airport. to be clear, you may know this or tom, you can check both a weapon and ammunition? yes. tom fuentes shaking his head yes. yes. if you re going on a hunting trip you will have both with you when you arrive at the destination. the fact that he s coming from alaska might be why he was there. we don t know. that s exactly what i was going to pick up on. hundreds of thousands of law enforcement personnel who often travel with their weaponry. you have to fill something out. it s a protocol under the faa and tsa. you have to fill something out. you can t just do it. nonetheless it s a common procedure for people who own guns. phil, phil mudd, i know i m asking you this with a handicap because it s early, i m just asking you in light of your experience as a profiler, you look at this person here, altercation on the flight, carrying a weapon, but also other things like shooting and killing, and then laying down, letting himself be arrested, as you look at that early and incomplete picture what do you take away? as somebody in the counter terrorism business let me take you behind the door for a moment. the first thing people in my business think about they hope it s not terrorism. you know, in some ways if you have to rank incidents of tragedy and violence in this country, as soon as you get an incidence of terrorism you re saying who organized this is there an immigration issue, connection to isis. if we have someone that stepped off the plane, what i see in the initial stages of this, is an individual who doesn t show the characteristics of the people i used to worry about when i chased terrorism. we talked about, for example, lying down on the floor. the people i chased typically would want to have enough ammunition so they went down in a fire fight with law enforcement. that was not a suicide operation. that for them was a martyr dom operation. i look at this and say i think we might come to a conclusion over the next hours it was just one of those tragedies where you say i m not sure there s anything you can do. and just for the sake of our viewers, that word terrorism there. we don t have any evidence yet and no official has told me at this point. the official word we re hearing from multiple sources is no known motive at this point although the newest information there was an altercation on the flight could be indicative. i would like to make a distinction. we haven t seen this because we re always broadcasting about terrorism events and jihadist events typically they re not taken alive. state and local police will tell you, i was a street cop six years, there are plane situations police arrive, someone has shot their family dead, thrown the gun down and surrendered or committed in other serious crime with a firearm and when police arrive they surrender. so it s not uncommon in general circles even if we think it s uncommon in our circles. julia kayyem, as we re looking at this as well, what are the missing pieces at this point that you ll be looking for? the unanswered questions? well, during the press conference i thought it was interesting and this just having seen so many of these, the extent to which they are going to shut down the entire airport. that s, you know, that s better safe than sorry at this stage. they need to reopen it relatively soon. it s a major airport. and the faa and it tsa are working as we ve heard already to divert everything. you will start to see a slow reopening of different terminals. that s part of the protocol. the unanswered questions i have is just the basic one, is essentially was this a cross-country from alaska to florida flight which seems less likely to me or an altercation where he happened to have a gun. we don t know much about the assailant at this stage so we want to learn more. i have confidence that they believe, that the officials, just based on the press conference, they believe it s an individual assailant who got triggered by something only because they seemed quite confident and they wouldn t be, that the imminent threat was now over. juliette, phil, tom, stay there for a moment pap back to the scene of this shooting rampage, ft. lauderdale/hollywood international airport. boris sanchez is live just outside. boris, what are you seeing in the last few minutes from your vantage point there? jim, we re just waiting for a press briefing from the governor of florida, rick scott, set to start in about ten minutes or so. we ve seen several helicopters circling overhead. broward county sheriff s and others. as we heard from the sheriff of broward county, about an hour or so ago, this is still a fluid scene. it does seem, obviously, like it s way more under control than it was just a few hours ago. they just put up that yellow tape. we re seeing a very large law enforcement presence from all over the southeast part of florida here. the difficulty now is in canvassing all the passengers and people that are still here on the scene. there are several hundred people that can t go anywhere because the airport is shut down. and as you can see behind me this is terminal 2, this is where the shooting took place on the lower level in the baggage claim area. this is an air canada and delta terminal. and just to give you an idea this is the second floor, this is where the de par tours leave. the lower floor, the baggage claim area where the shooting happened is the arrivals. still, so much to piece together in this. one thing i did want to point out i asked the sheriff of broward county perhaps they identified a vehicle belonging to the shooter here at ft. lauderdale international airport. he told me they had not. we did see a large group of officials heavily armed going through the parking structure, so we were he still trying to figure out exactly what details might give us an idea of what was going through the shooter s mind and if this was something that was planned or if he was responding to an altercation on the plane as some of our sources have been saying. boris sanchez on the scene. joining me on the telephone is senator marco rubio of florida. senator rubio, thank you very much for taking the time. thank you. thanks for having me on. a terrible situation. our thoughts with you. a tragedy in your home state. if i can begin, can you tell us if there s any uptated information on the shooting? what can you tell us? well, i want to be very cautious about what we share because i think it s a fluid situation. i think you ve already probably reported the name of the assailant, i think you ve reported. there are still some questions whether it s clear he was an inbound passenger. that seems to be some confusion as of 15 minutes ago still among the agencies about whether he was inbound on an international flight or domestic flight but from outside the continental united states. i think, obviously, the other thing that s going on and you re probably seeing images of it, is they re just trying to make sure this thing is finished. there s always this concern if it were some sort of coordinated incident you would have one attack to draw in first responders and law enforcement and the secondary attack to target them. we know those are tactics that have been discussed in the past. that s part of what you re watching. then it goes to preserving evidence because if, in fact, this turns out to be a domestic prosecution they have to be able to prove it in court. so all of that is going on simultaneously. even as they are trying to run as much information as they can about this individual across data bases to try to begin to piece together what happened here. are you seeing any information, any indication, this was a coordinated attack, beyond a lone gunman? no. as of now, nor have any of the agencies indicated they suspect it. they ve got to rule all of that out. they will take every precaution on the ground. our immediate interactions with the fbi concluded that while their involvement because of the investigative capability and because it involves abation there could be aviation there could be federal criminal violations here, in fact there no doubt is, they do not at least initially see this as some sort of an act of terrorism in terms of what we normally associate with terrorizing. as of this moment anyway that s not the way they re approaching it. i m not sure they ve ruled that out. they have to gather information. we know throughout as we ask you these questions, it s early, the picture incomplete. we re hearing from law enforcement sources here in washington that this passenger had witnesses say he had some sort of altercation on the flight before he then retrieved his weapon from his bags and then carried out his shooting. are law enforcement sources there telling you any more about that? whether they believe that was the motivation? well, i m not prepared to say that was the motivation. i know that was mentioned as a potential cause and they wanted to kind of look into that a little further and get to that point. i think what they ll probably be troubled by the attack did not seem targeted at specific individual, but rather just kind of widespread across the baggage claim area. but that was, in fact, one of the potential causes that was brought up among several others. but we re not trying to be evasive. i certainly am not. truly they don t know. just a few hours removed from this happening and they have to piece all of this together before they know more. one of the things that s unusual about it is, if you wanted to shoot up the baggage claim area of any airport in america you don t have to fly there on an airplane, check it in your bag and wait for the bag to come out. you can just drive up, walk in and do it. so i think that s putting some doubt in their minds about premeditation in terms of that being a specific target. but again, we ll learn more, i imagine, over the next few hours and days. we know the name or multiple sources have told us the name esteban santiago. we re also told that he had a military i.d. on his person. i m curious if you know any more about his background? for instance, whether he was an active or former military service member? no. i can tell you that is the name, the name that i ve heard from multiple sources now and the military i.d. component. i did ask the question whether it was an active military i.d. and they didn t have the answer at the moment. i asked local law enforcement, the first to kind of move on that front in terms of identification. my understanding he is in custody and injured, so i imagine he s been transported to a medical facility. i don t have any more. i would say one thing the name, if you ran that name on just a public data base, obviously, without knowing more about who it was that s not an uncommon name. esteban is not an uncommon name. spanish. and santiago is not an uncommon name. it s not garcia or perez but it s not uncommon. i imagine they re trying to make sure they have the right person. through that i think the passenger manifest from the airline is probably brought into some high level certainty at this point. as of now there s nothing in what they know about this individual that has led them to change any of the assumptions that i ve outlined to you earlier here in this conversation. well, senator rubio, we thank you for taking the time and we re sorry that you and your state have to have experience violence like this. well just know that our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those that have lost their lives and several others that have been severely injured and as a result of this attack and we pray for them and hope that they will be able to make a full recovery. no question. we ll be thinking of them as well. senator rubio, thanks very much. thank you. i want to go to cnn aviation correspondent rene marsh. rene marsh, can you tell us what you re learning most recently about the shooter and the investigation so far? well, just to reset, jim. we know the name of the shooter is esteban santiago as you ve been mentioning there. he flew from alaska to florida. we do know, again, that gun was checked in his checked luggage. he had declared that weapon. and then he retrieved that weapon and that s when he opened fire after getting off of his flight. now, you know, many people may not realize, but he went about this all very legally. tsa rules are very clear, they state what the rules are for carrying a gun on board. you can legally carry a weapon as well as ammunition only in your checked luggage. you cannot carry that in your carry-on luggage. that s exactly what this individual did. however, when you do carry it in your checked luggage, it has to be unloaded. it has to be in a hard, locked case. and again, you have to declare it to the airline at that ticket counter. so to our knowledge, this traveler, esteban santiago, did all of those things and he did all of those things very legally. however, you have a problem which we ve talked about time and time again, with these airports, we saw it happen in istanbul where you have the soft targets of the airport that essentially if you talk to any law enforcement official, it really is virtually impossible to get the vulnerability down to zero. anyone will tell you that. and so this particular area where he opened fire, the baggage claim area, of the airport, wit yit was not by the checkpoint that is considered the soft target and he essentially took advantage of that and that is why we are where we are where the latest numbers are that five people had been shot dead an and we do know eight were transported to the hospital. to be clear we re showing live pictures there. we continue to see police activity on the tarmac. even on some of the highways leading into the airport terminal there, blocking traffic, et cetera. but also to be clear, a little less than an hour ago, police said they believe there is no active shooter still present, that it looks like this shooter who is in custody acted alone. have they changed that assessment? are they still acting as if there could be other assailants there? well, when we did get that update they did tell us that they had cleared everyone out of that vicinity because they had their s.w.a.t. team coming in and they were their s.w.a.t. team was going inch by inch throughout that area looking for others, potentially, but they did say they strongly believe they had their one shooter. however, they want a sterile situation so that not only can they make sure 100% that the threat is gone, but also looking for evidence because they need not only physical evidence, but, of course, they re going to want to look at that tape as well, that tape is going tell a lot as far as how long did this all go on. that tape will tell them exactly where he was standing, who he was aiming at, how he went about this as he opened fire on these innocent travelers, jim. rene marsh, thanks very much. please stand by. i want to bring in niegel nelson, he was there. he heard the gun shots as he waited in the security line. niegel, you think you may have been close to the shooter as this happened? pretty close, actually. so i was in the line waiting just about to step through the screening area when we heard the shots and there were people running behind us and screaming, security personnel screaming run run run. we ran. we were led out by the flight attendants and so on on to the tarmac. there we waited until about an hour or so when we got information as to what was happening. they tried to provide refreshments. i understand you may have heard more gun shots following that initial round of gunfire? this was about say 45 minutes to an hour after we were on the tarmac waiting when they got us all together and said that they they ve pretty much secured the building or secured the terminal and they were trying to get us inside. get us back inside. understood. that s when we heard shouting and screaming again and people started scurrying away. i heard at least two more shots. then, of course, we started running. i understand in that panic, you lost your shoes, just a sign of how quickly people had to get out of there? well, actually, i was, like i said, i was just about to step through the security screening. i put my shoes, phone, wallet, all my belongings into the trays. they were able to go through. that s when the shooting started and that s when everybody started running. i had to run without even a belt on my pant, with everything. i just had to run. now what are you seeing there right now, as understand you re still at the airport? i m still at the airport. we re i m in terminal d. terminal 2, section d6. we were let back inside. we re told they re doing some amount of checks still. they did confirm with us a while ago that they saw or they phoned found something suspicious and they re going to do a controlled explosion within five minutes or so, so the announcement just came over to tell us that we shouldn t panic or anything. so we re still waiting. they the security personnel they re moving around trying to keep us calm, trying to, you know, give us a sense of security and all that. well, thank you very much, niegel nelson, we here at cnn are glad you re safe. we want to go back to evan perez. i understand you have new information? you re welcome. all right. the fact that the suspect had with the fbi in anchorage alaska, recently about a couple months ago, he showed up at the anchorage office of the fbi and apparently exhibiting sh some kind of mental health issues. there was concern there. local authorities or himself. at some point he has checked into a local mental health institution according to officials we ve been talking to. this is still part of the early investigation still putting together a picture of exactly where he s been, what exactly might have led up to this shooting. but what we re beginning what s beginning to emerge is a picture of somebody who was exhibiting some kind of mental health illness, issues. he apparently checked himself in or voluntarily was checked in to a mental health institution there for some treatment. after he showed up at the fbi office in anchorage, alaska. after that, we don t know what happens next. we know that he did get on a flight from alaska and was flew into ft. lauderdale today. earlier we i think mistakenly said he had come through canada, but i think partly because of some of his initial interviews and statements to investigators, in which he indicated that he had come from canada. we now know that he, indeed, had come from alaska, had flown into ft. lauderdale airport earlier today, before he started carrying out this shooting. again, mental health issues is the picture that s emerging here from this suspect. that s right. i heard similar from u.s. officials earlier. evan perez, thanks very much. tom fuentes with me in washington and phil mudd still on the line. tom, as you listen to that, we re beginning to get a clearer picture perhaps of the suspect and the shooting. it could be serious mental health problems. we don t know the cause of it. you know, we ve had other incidents where somebody severely mentally ill does have access or owns a gun. which apparently is the case here. but you have situations where if somebody already owns a gun and then later gets mental health treatment there s no real way to find him and take the gun away. that s the possibility in this situation, he developed this problem mentally after he already owned the sgloon it s an issue that comes up so frequently with shootings that we cover, mental health, and that s one issue you hear from republicans as well, maybe they need to address the mental health issues as tied to gun violence. phil mudd, a lot of experience profiling bad actors tell us your view as we hear more information about the suspected shooter? i would step away from this and i think we will come up with the unavoidable conclusion we have another tragedy in america that s not preventable because we have someone that has mental health issues who didn t intend before he got on the plane on killing somebody. two quick things. did anybody know before he got on the plane that he had anger issues that might manifest themselves on the plane and did he talk about an incident of violence. my guess is no, but guess is not good enough here. there s a second bigger question. is there anything we can learn? we re talking about the issue of how do you think about someone who goes into mental health treatment who has access to a weapon. i think you to do an after action here but i m afraid we re going to step away and say in the america of 2017 this is just going to happen periodically. sadly, we come on the air with stories like this more often than we can coun. juliette kayyem, based on evan s information, the idea he arrived on ap earlier flight than we believed initially, and might have had some time to think about this before he acted? that s exactly right. what i m picking up on phil s point. what are we going to learn from this? obviously, you know, we have another major mass casualty shooting and there are debates, political debates, about guns and access to guns, but the other question i have, is if there was some sort of altercation or disturbance on an airplane, or around the airplane, what did officials at the airport, certainly plenty of them, whether it was at airline industry or tsa or local or state officials did they do anything or what did they do? i m curious about that only because we have to train these officials to be able to deescalate problems in a world in which we have too many lots of arms and unfortunately untreated mental health issues. and so that would be one of my takeaways from this as we started the hour, you know, i said this was a suspicion, that this was someone who got on a plane and didn t intend on doing this. and how can we deescalate these situations before they lead to a tragedy like this. just to reiterate some of that new information, learning now that shooter, one, had previous contact with the fbi, he was known to the federal bureau of investigation. two, that it is believed that he had mental health issues, possible mental health problems. in addition to that we learn as well there might have been altercation on this flight, an immediate perhaps triggering event. right. at this point we need to do the investigation. we need to find out what exactly happened. to the extent we can know it. we may never know what was inside his head that caused this to happen. and, you know, what his background is. so it s going to take more investigation to even have an idea of what happened here. tom fuentes, thank you. new information that being a photo of the shooting suspect here. i m going to go to our evan perez. that s right. this is a photo that we have of the suspect. you know, there was not a lot of we checked his criminal background. not a lot in his criminal background. very minor stuff that he that showed up in the records. and so this indicates that, aside from this recent visit to the fbi office in anchorage, alaska, there s really not much contact that police have had, law enforcement has had with him. we re told he has not shown up on any radar of anybody who is potentially extremist or radicalized. that s one of the first things unfortunately these days that law enforcement does when one of these cases happens, they check to see whether or not there s anything that comes up with regard to extremism. we haven t they haven t found any indication of that at this point. again, very few very minor criminal history is what we have in his background. and apart from just a couple months ago showing up at the fbi office in anchorage and exhibiting signs of mental illness that appears to be the extent of the law enforcement contact. significant law enforcement contact that this suspect had until today. jim? you re looking at the face there in that photograph of esteban santiago, the suspect in
donald trump just wrapped up his rally in vegas. sunlen serfaty is there. joining me now, donald trump did seize on the investigation but what else? reporter: that s right. he did, fred. it seems as if donald trump is campaigning with a new spring in his step and capitalizing on the e-mail server scandal. he s been relentless and today is no exception. he almost joked to this crowd, i never thought we d be thanking anthony weiner nine days out. here s what he had to say. her cell action was willful, deliberate, intentional and purposeful. hillary set up an illegal server for the obvious purpose of shielding her criminal conduct from public disclosure and exposure. she set up this illegal server knowing full well that her actions put our national security at risk and put the safety and security of your children at risk. now, trump campaign officials feel this is an opening that they ve been given in this final nine days. also, something else from donald trump, going after obamacare premiums, raising potentially going up next week, that s something he s been talking about on the campaign trail and will continue to stay on the offensive according to trump campaign officials. they are looking at battleground polls that are tightening and midweek they may see a tick-up in the polls. they certainly have that anticipation and that hope, fred. sunlen serfaty, thank you so much. so as the clinton campaign continues to demand more information from the fbi about their review of the e-mails, they are also acknowledging that this scandal would have never happened had clinton not used her private e-mail server. cnn s jake tapper spoke with clinton campaign manager john podesta on state of the union . do you accept the premise that the reason we re here that hillary clinton and her inner circle, not including you, made a horrible decision to set up her private e-mail server and everything that s happened since then is her fault? look, i think she s apologized for setting up a private e-mail server, said it was a mistake and she wouldn t do it over again. it s very clear that this has been an issue through the course of this campaign. i think she obviously would like to take that decision back. but she s learned from it. and i think what s important about this campaign at this stage, with nine days to go, is who is fit to be president, who has the experience and the question of whether donald trump is too dangerous, too tempermently unfit to be president of the united states. so that s what we re going to close off and we re going to talk about the future she wants to build in building an economy that works for everyone, not just people at the top. i always hear the clinton team say that she s learned from it. what has she learned? as she s said many times, she wouldn t do it over again. it s the kind of decision that i think needed more thought, more review and i think she regrets that and i think it s regrettable and you learn and move on. again, i think in contrast to her opponent who never seems to learn from his mistakes and keeps repeating them and doubling down on them. one of the things that s interesting and one of the things that democrats in washington, d.c., are debating is whether or not hillary clinton has actually learned from this experience when it comes to people in her circle. i m not necessarily including you in that group but people who are more of a new guard even if you have a long-standing relationship with the clintons, were stunned when word of the private e-mail server was first reported in march of 2015, according to the stolen e-mails published by wikileaks and i know you say this is the russians and it s not me saying it. it s a lot of people saying it, including the government. okay. intelligence professionals say that. be that as it may you wrote, did you have any idea of the depth of this story? a clinton ally co-chairing your transition why didn t they get this stuff out like 18 months ago so crazy. you responded unbelievable. i guess i know the answer they wanted to get away with it. july 25th, do we know who told hillary she could use a private e-mail and has that person been drawn and quartered? you re acting like the server was a simple mistake but you knew this was going to be a big problem. it s easy with 20/20 hindsight. if someone had taken the steps and looked at it, if one would have definitely made a difference decision but it happened. i think it was at the beginning it was just done for convenience, but at the end of the day, it was a major problem i think as i told you, i think she s learned from it. i ve worked with her closely in this campaign. she takes hard advice, she respects people who will get up in her face and i think that the reason that i ve kind of survived through the whole campaign is because that s the kind of person i am. you certainly are. has anyone in the government provided you with the status report, john, on the investigation into your hacked and stolen e-mails? no. i ve talked to the fbi at the beginning of this, and my attorney has been in touch with them. it s part of the investigation of the russian hacks, but the scope of it, who knew what when, the fact that the trump campaign seems to have been in contact with julian assange from wikileaks quite early at least as early as august, i don t know what their investigation is finding. you re referring to roger stone saying trump confidant, let me correct myself. okay. a trump confidant roger stone, who, you know, bragged about being in touch with julian assange and talked about the fact that they were going to come after me was, he did that back in august. so what the government has learned about the interactions between assange and the russians, it seems clear that the russians were the ones who did the initial hack, how they got to wikileaks, what the relationship was with roger stone, i don t know. i assume the government is looking at that but i don t know anything more. maybe jim comey, if he thinks it s important, will let us know and come out in the next nine days. all right. john podesta this morning. we ll talk with our panel about this right after a quick break. when i started designing a bronx tale: the musical, i came up. .with this idea of four towers that were fire escapes. .essentially. i ll build a little model in photoshop and add these. .details in with a pen. i could never do that with a mac. i feel like my job is. .to put out there just enough detail to spur the audiences. .imagination to fill in all the blanks. this windows pc is amazing, having all of my tools. .right at my finger tips is incredible. all right. you just heard john podesta respond to the fbi investigation. let s talk about this with our panel, historian and professor, julian and david who is a cnn political commentator. also with the washington post. good to see you. david, let me begin with you. podesta paints this as nuance. he thinks huma abedin truly did believe she had handed over everything. so even in your newspaper today it s reported that beabedin did not use her husband s computer very much. so how is it that clinton e-mails may be in that device? i think what we know now is what director comey said. he issued this vague letter on friday which does have the clinton camp up in arms and you can certainly sympathize with hillary clinton and her surrogates saying that this was vague and, you know, overblew the investigation but at the same time, fredricka, you know, fbi director comey did say he would update congress on any new developments in the investigation and this might be a very small development but it s a development nonetheless. julian, previously the clinton campaign largely avoided talking about the e-mail scandal in rallies and in press conferences today. clinton didn t address it directly when she was in florida but the camp did release this explainer video. so is it enough? well, she s going to have to be out there talking about what is going on. they are talking about her and podesta until that interview on raising questions about comey and about the entire process. but you can t let that consume everything she does. it s important that hillary clinton also keeps talking about her agenda and, frankly, her attacks on donald trump. otherwise, if she s just talking about the e-mail story, it will be all anybody hears about. so david, you re alluding to this, that it s a promise that comey made that he wanted to keep everyone abreast. he didn t want to be in the middle of this necessary but through his transparency, he is. so could he or should he have anticipated that this would result just a few days before election day? yeah, i think it was foreseeable when he sent that letter to control that it would throw the election into a little bit of a scurry in these last nine days. in the last two weeks, fredricka, donald trump has been closing on clinton in the polls prior to this information coming to light. our own washington post poll this weekend shows it s a two-point race nationally and it s tight in several of the key swing states. what it s doing is not necessarily changing the entire dynamic of the race. again, we don t know what is in these e-mails or what was on this laptop or device that was recovered from huma abedin or anthony weiner. we know it s making it difficult for hillary clinton to make her closing argument in the last week of this race, which is what she was starting to settle in and do. she came out of the debates sort of the winner of those three debates, certainly the debates were trying to knock down a narrow polling lead and now she s got to defend this and it s frustrating her aides, including john podesta. the relationship between huma abedin and hillary clinton, very, very tight. huma has been working for hillary clinton since she was an intern in 1996. so now you ve got this scandal potentially and the relationship with anthony weiner and that investigation. so might this mean a prelude to a split between a clinton and huma abedin in the midst of all of this? it sure could. and even if this doesn t have a detrimental effect on the election for her, i think both with this particular situation but all of her advisers, it raises a question we ve heard about hillary clinton. if she always surrounds herself with the best advice and surrounds herself with the best people and so i think this is clearly going to be a case where there s serious consideration, you would imagine, to severing this relationship after this is done. all right. so much more ahead, david, julian. stick around. we have a lot more to tackle. the fbi is under pressure to give more details about its review of this e-mail involving a clinton top aide, huma abedin. so coming up, you ll hear from a republican lawmaker who has spoken to director james comey about the inquest. so find out what comey and lawmakers actually know about huma abedin s e-mails. that i . we met when we were very young. i was 17, he was 18. we made the movie the book of life. we started doing animation. with the surface book, you can do all this stuff. you can actually draw on the screen. so crisp. i love it. it s almost like this super powerful computer and a tablet had the perfect baby. it s a typewriter for writing scripts. it s a sketchbook for sketches. .it s a canvas for painting. you can t do that on a mac. are coming, and california will suffer budget deficits all over again. so vote yes on 55. because it helps our children thrive. all right. the pressure is on. fbi director james comey to release more details about the bureau s review of e-mails possibly linked to hillary clinton. definitely related to huma abedin. the e-mails were discovered on a computer that anthony weiner shared with his wife. robert goodlay told abc s this week that he encouraged comey to give the american people as much information as possible about the discovered e-mails before the election. you mentioned classified information. how do you or mr. comey know that there s classified information involved here if you haven t seen the e-mails? well, we don t know. and we don t know what the basis was for mr. comey making the decision to further pursue the case. we don t know whether that s informants, whether they ve had access to looking some of this information, we don t know what the basis was. we do know they know something is there. cnn investigations correspondent chris frates joining me live now from washington. chris, tell us more about what goodlay had to say. so far, it seems that comey is not telling lawmakers much more than what he s saying publicly. look, at this point, it s nothing. here s how he described his conversation with fbi director comey. did mr. comey tell you he would be coming forward with more information? he did not. his answer was with regard to a number of questions i asked him that he was not going to answer those questions at this point, meaning the conversation i had with him and mr. conyers. but with regard to mr. comey making a mistake, i think that he is very conscious of the controversy that s existed in the fbi. so despite the call by both democrats and republicans for comey to release more information, the fbi director is really not budging here. that s largely because he doesn t even know yet what s in those e-mails. and so chris, how odd is that, that director comey would not know what was in the e-mails but would construct a letter to the hill ? there s a reason for that. the fbi doesn t have permission to go through those e-mails yet. they are trying to get their approval. the government needs a new warrant because it only covers the investigation into abedin s estranged husband, anthony weiner. they need to get a new warrant for these newly discovered e-mails. right now, they only have a warrant to investigate anthony weiner. it s unlikely we ll have any answers to the big question here, which is, what is actually in these e-mails, until after the election, fred. chris frates, thanks so much in washington. and we ll be right back. mornin . hey, do you know when the game starts? 11 hours. oh. well, i m heading back to my room. oh, wi-fi password? super bowl, underscore houston underscore 51, underscore super bowl, backslash 51, backslash houston. got it. 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that s right. we got the impression that the fbi made this disclosure to members of the congress and in that letter jim comey, the fbi director said that he had been briefed on thursday. what that letter doesn t say is is when the fbi first learned of this and we re told by law enforcement officials that we ve been talking to that they had this in their possession for weeks. we first reported cnn first reported back on september 22nd, just over a month ago, that the fbi that the u.s. attorney in manhattan and the fbi were seeking possession of anthony weiner s communication as part of this sexting investigation. we re told that soon after that, they were able to get these noon indications and they were able to look at the e-mails and that s when the team in the fbi new york office discovered there may be huma abedin e-mails that related to the hillary clinton investigation. they stopped doing their work immediately and brought in the team that had been handling the e-mail investigation and they started looking at that. so by early october, it certainly was clear that there was something here, that it was pertinent to the clinton investigation. so what we are trying to get clarification from the fbi on is why it took so long for any of this to be known. perhaps if they had disclosed this back then, the reaction from the clinton camp would not be so severe. they feel it was revealed so closely to the election that it could have an affect on the election and certainly now it will have to be looked at much more closely simply because now we know the fbi was in possession of this information for weeks and only now disclosed it. so evan, might it still be the case that while the fbi investigators knew about these e-mails weeks ago that perhaps they only informed director comey on this past thursday as comey has stated? well, we know that there were several officials at the fbi who had knowledge about this because there was some deliberation inside the fbi about what to do, about how to proceed. obviously everybody knows inside knows about the rules about not disclosing information that is politically sensitive close to an election. it s a policy drilled into everybody there and they all know that this is something that is very sensitive. and so that might have been part of the deliberation. we don t know exactly what was the hang-up, what was the reason why they kept this under wraps for weeks and weeks and only disclosed it on friday. part of the accusations was because of concern that this would leak out anyway and they were concerned that if it did, it would appear that the fbi was covering up for the clinton campaign. they did not want it to appear that way. that s why they decided to disclose this to members of congress in a letter on friday. the question is, if they knew this so much earlier and they thought it was important enough to disclose to congress, why wouldn t they do it earlier this month? and the damage and the reputation to the fbi and all of the questions that jim comey is now getting might have been softened a little bit. it s not clear whether that might have made a difference, but certainly that s the question that everybody is asking right now. and then why would not a search warrant have been applied for weeks ago upon the discovery as opposed to now we re hearing discussions of a search warrant are happening? that s right. exactly. that s another question we re asking, which is, if you had dealt with this back in early october when you certainly had a clear picture that this was related to the ongoing to the clinton investigation, then why didn t you start taking those steps then? again, the clock was ticking simply because there is a poll tea at the justice department and the fbi that you don t take certain investigative steps within 60 days of a an election. that s the policy. even if they had done this in october, it still would have raised the same problem. i think the question that the clinton campaign now certainly has and it s a legitimate one, is perhaps if you had done this earlier, it would have given time to reveal this and for the voters to have all of this information, certainly not ten days or 11 days out to only learn this. fred? evan perez, thank you so much for your reporting. we ll check back with you. thank you so much. also, straight ahead, the trump campaign reacting to this new inquiry and the rising obamacare costs. what we ve got is not working and i m very glad that obamacare continues to form the core of his message even in light of the new fbi investigation. i m my team s #1 fan. yay. sports. i ve never been #1 in anything until i put these babies on. now we re on a winning streak and i m never taking them off. do i know where i m going? absolutely. we re going to the playoff. allstate guarantees your rates won t go up just because of an accident. starting the day you sign up. so get accident forgiveness from allstate. and be better protected from mayhem, like me. where do you think you re going-going, girl? girl, where do you think you re going? .here s the challenges you re going to have. and we can get it confirmed through our quickbooks. and what steps are we going to use to beat these obstacles before they really become a problem. [announcer] get 30 days free at quickbooks.com welcome back. i m fredricka whitfield. donald trump has zeroed in on one of his primary target issues, blasting obamacare, which he did again today at a rally in las vegas. trump called for health care to be repealed and replaced. earlier today on state of the union, jake tapper questioned the campaign manager about the presidential candidate s knowledge of the health care law. let me ask you a question about health care. there are real questions about whether donald trump understands how obamacare works. take a listen to what mr. trump had to say in florida. all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. this is another group, is that a correct statement? you look at what they re going through with their health care is horrible, because of obamacare. after he gave that statement the general manager of trump s property attempted to correct the record and said 99% of trump s employees are insured through the hotel meaning they have private insurance. how can mr. trump be the one to replace obamacare if he doesn t seem to understand how it works? he does understand. his employees are the lucky ones, jake. they don t have to suffer under obamacare he s talking about the rest of the country, so many who have. he s the right person to repeal and replace it because obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, reminds us how intrusive, invasive and expensive the federal government can come in our lives under the guise of helping people. he was in arizona yesterday and told them that their premiums are expected to rise by 116%. will cnn or anybody else ask mrs. clinton today when she s visiting arizona? we see these other premium mailboxes and clicking onto their computers and getting notice their premiums are about to explode. it is reprehensible and deplorable to coin a phrase that americans are choosing between paying the rent, feeding their families and keeping of their health care. president obama lied 26 or 27 times telling people if you want to keep your doctor you can keep your doctor. no, you can t. people see a lack of quality, a lack of access, a lack of control and increase in price something under the guise of the affordable care act. the question for hillary clinton is what would you do about it? is obamacare 3.0 in the offing or the bernie sanders supporters who want to us move to single payer system? either way, she should own obamacare, she should be asked what she d do about it. donald trump says he d let you compete across state lines to buy your health insurance much the way you buy your auto insurance and other services. he would immediately remove the obamacare penalty which is hurting many people, and he of course would allow a more patient-centric health care system which would give us all health savings accounts so only you can control your own health care spending, what we ve got is not working, and i m very glad that obamacare continues to form the core of his message, even in light of the new fbi investigation. we ve had a great week in large part because mr. trump is talking about obamacare. all right. let s bring back our political panel now to discuss all of this. back with me is cnn political commentator david swirdlick and julian zeli sdplchzer. before we dive into the rising premiums, let s revisit this breaking news through which our evan perez reported, he s learning that the fbi knew of these new e-mails when it seized or received this anthony weiner computer back in september 22nd. so they ve known of these new e mays f e-mails for weeks now contrary to what director comey said learning about it this past thursday. we don t know if that was withheld from him for that period of time. so julian, how much bigger of a mess has this now been made? well, it becomes a bigger mess with every hour and the more questions raised about why the fbi did this and the process through which the decision was made obviously plays into the concerns that have been raised by the clinton supporters about the entire process through which this is being conducted but it s a reminder, especially without any evidence at this point of any kind of smoking done data that there s a danger of handling these kinds of stories so close to an election without knowing what the facts are. and so david, how do you see it? how much more, you know, potentially complicated does it come? right. well, if director comey has the timeline wrong, that s a problem and he ll be scrutinized for it. if, in fact, the fbi knew about these e-mails or whatever it is that s on this device in september, that should have been disclosed, at least what we know and based on evan perez s reporting sooner in the process, not 11 days, which was friday, before the election. that being said, you know, the complaints come from the side that i think is having to struggle with them in a political politic political context. this is throwing a wrench into the clinton s closing argument. back in july when director comey was coming out and making what was also not really a typical fbi protocol statement and speech explaining why he was not recommending criminal charges to the justice department against secretary clinton, it was republicans complaining. and i think that goes to the fact that both sides in this are sort of, you know, pleading their own case and understandably so but director comey really is in a very difficult position here. all right. let s shift gears to this affordable health care and rising premiums in certain jirks decisions. donald trump seizing on that saying he s going to and has committed to repealing and replacing you heard from kellyanne conway being challenged and whether donald trump has a clear understanding about the affordable care act. julian, you know, this is in step with what the gop has been saying for a very long time, it wants to replace and repeal. how does this assist donald trump? yeah, look, this has been an argument we ve heard from republicans for many years now. it actually faded in this campaign as other issues took up air time but it s come back because of the rising premiums. many would argue it s part of the story overall. we have far fewer people uninsured but symbolically, the news that premiums have risen on some people will rise is very potent, especially post e-mail story. i think donald trump has the opportunity to use that as another rallying point for the republicans. david, is this advantageous? at least in the short term, yes. julian is right, broad-sweeping policy issues it s been more about the character of the two candidates and them trying to knock each other down rather than to put forward a broad, comprehensive policy agenda. i also think that you played the clip of kellyanne conway talking about the dire state of obamacare. i think that was exaggerated. you can t blame the trump campaign to seize on this and make their argument that they are the change candidate, that people should rally to them because the obama administration and clinton administration have not delivered. whether that s true, it s a fair argument for them to make. does donald trump have to elaborate any further, give any detail about what kind of replacement he would envision? he s still behind even though the polls have tightened and even though he s doing a lot better in national polls, she is still in the lead and she still has an advantage in the electoral college and he comes with many liabilities as well. i don t think voters have forgotten that. he has a lot of pressure to get out there and show that he can actually handle some of these policy discussions in ways he has not demonstrated. so he shouldn t think that he can coast in this final week because he should also remember that he s coming from behind at this point. all right. julian, david, thank you so much, gentlemen. appreciate it. we ll be right back. s to make t. first, all customers who have been impacted will be fully refunded. second, we ll proactively send you a confirmation for any new checking, savings, or credit card account you open. third, we ve eliminated product sales goals for our retail bankers. to ensure your interests are put first. we re taking action. we re renewing our commitment to you. for millions of baby boomers there s a virus out there. a virus that s serious, like hiv, but it hasn t been talked about much. a virus that s been almost forgotten. it s hepatitis c. one in 30 boomers has hep c, yet most don t even know it. that s because hep c can hide in your body silently for years, even decades, without symptoms and it s not tested for in routine blood work. if left untreated, hep c can cause liver damage, even liver cancer. but there s important information for us: the cdc recommends all baby boomers get tested for hep c. all it takes is a simple one-time blood test. and if you have hep c, it can be cured. be sure to ask your doctor to get tested for hep c. for us it s time to get tested. it s the only way to know for sure. husband, anthonyweiner. the e-mails were discovered during an investigation of weiner, accused of sexting an en underage girl. brynn gingras joins me from new york with more. we know that anthony weiner started in congress in 1999 and then two years later, hillary clinton would become a part of the senate. they became even more entwined when weiner started dating huma aberde huma abedin, who clin described as her second daughter. anthony wee weiner remaking quiet. he s made no comment and hasn t been seen leaving his manhattan home this weekend, as questions remain what e-mails were discovered that launched the justice department to reopen the case into hillary clinton s use of a private e-mail server. weiner once stood in harmony with clinton, serving on capitol hill at the same time. weiner was a charismatic, political rising star, who had his eye on clinton s confidant, huma abedin. opposites attracted. the two marries in 2010. bill clinton officiated the ceremony. however, marital bliss soon faced a bomb shell. i m announcing my resignation from congress. reporter: weiner surrendered his political post after texting a picture of his crotch, as the couple were expecting a child. huma gave him a second chance and he asked the voters of new york too, as well. but more crude conversations with women surfaced. the final straw for huma abedin came with allegations that weiner sexted with an underage girl. huma abedin announced she was separating from her husband, and now this jolting the election before voters head to the polls. weiner is cooperating. no comment in regards to the recent developments. thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, we ll hear from donald trump and hillary clinton supporters. what they think about this growing fbi investigation. anyone with type 2 diabetes knows how it feels to see your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. but what if you could turn things around? 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they found nothing so far. all right. we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom. it all starts right now. hello again, everyone, and thank you so much for joining
come on man get real. he repatted my words back to me. get real. as he began thrusting his genitals. reporter: she said the sexual advance eventually stopped. she had dinner him and then threat hotel. she said she was offered a job at trump s golf course near l.a. but turned it down when the salary was half of what she expected. she hasn t talked to trump since but reach out in april of this year to give him a chance to explain his behavior. she never heard back. with a flood of allegations she felt compelled to speak out. you don t have the right to treat women as sexual objects just because you re a star. reporter: in a statement today trump says to be clear i never met her at a hotel or greeted her inappropriately a decade ago. he continued that s not who i am as a person and it is not how i ve conducted my life. wbr-id= wbr3530 /> kristen anderson telling the washington post she too was groped by trump at a nightclub in new york in the early 1990s. the person on my right who unbeknownst to me at the time was donald trump put their hands up my skirt. he did touch my [ bleep ] through my underwear. pushed the hand away, got up and i turn around and see these eyebrows, very distinct eyebrows of donald trump. and i got up and i moved and i continued to talk with my friends. and they said oh, that s donald trump. i was like ew, he s gross, he just put his hand up my skirt. cnn has not verified eritrea of these claims. the trump campaign responding to kristen anderson s allegations with this. this is a total fabrication, it did not happen. it is illegal logical and nonsensical to think donald trump was iaaf lone in a nightclub in manhattan and that the alleged incident and recognition of mr. trump went unnoticed by both the woman involved and anyone else in this crowded venue. both women claim they told their friends in the minutes and hours after these alleged assault. as for zevos she told her parents. i reached her father. he said he can t talk about this. zervos is republican and is speaking out so she can sleep at night. the trump campaign released this statement reportedly from summer zervos cousin. i am completely shocked and bewildered by my cousin. ever since summer was on the apprentice she s had nothing but glowing things to say about mr. trump that was until summer invited mr. trump to her restaurant during the primary and he said no. i think summer wishes she can still be on reality tv and in toward get that back she s saying all these negative things about mr. trump. these are things said by mr. barry. cnn reach out no gloria allred. this is their response. jon barry is a huge trump supporter. he was employed at summer s family restaurant until several months ago when his employment ended. let s bring in chris. what else is the trump campaign saying? reporter: more bad news for trump. these two women came forward yesterday alleging trump groped them. that brings number of women who publicly accused trump of sexual harassment or sexual assault to seven. now hillary clinton for her part has mostly steered clear of the allegations against trump largely for fear of pulling the spotlight away from a campaign that s pretty troubled right now but she did weigh in last night at a fundraiser in seattle. the whole world has heard how donald trump brags about mistreating women. and the disturbing stories keep coming. this is who donald trump really is. we know that. now we have to demonstrate who we are. [ applause ] america is better than this. reporter: now kristen anderson told the washington post in a story published yesterday that trump slid his hand up her mini skirt and touched her priechts at a new york city nightclub back in the 90s. and former apprentice star zerch rvos said trump grabbed her breast and kissed her over dinner. trump is dismissing all these allegations as lies. in fact he seemed to mock two of his other accusers as too unattractive to draw his attention and painted himself as a victim of an notorious smear campaign. these allegations are 100% false. as everybody, i think you know. these claims, by reason truth logic common sense are made without supporting witnesses. reporter: now the allegations have knocked trump off track, off message since this news broke last week. but trump says he plans to address the nation in a much more personal way. he wants to talk about his vision for the country. obviously wanting to move past all these allegations, victor. thanks so much. our cnn politics senior reporter joins us now. steven, we heard what the plan is that he wants to talk more policy. how much more of that might we hear as we re now four days away from the final debate? reporter: well everything we know about donald trump is he may say he wants to talk about policy but once he s attacked he hits back twice as hard and that s what eve seen in the last few days in donald trump s rallies. he s responded to these allegations. the question is, is that the most sort of advisable political strategy. trump said yesterday that during one of his rallies that his advisors told him look don t talk about this, talk about your message, talk about trade, talk about being a change agent because those are the issues that will shape the election but donald trump said, you know, when i m punched i punch back twice as hard. so the question is going into the debate later this week is donald trump is going try to address this in a formal speech, perhaps, sit down interview with somebody to try to get it off the table so he doesn t have to address this directly during the debate or is he going into this debate and as we saw in the last debate on sunday when he vehemently addressed the access hollywood video, you know, made the debate all about donald trump and that s the question a lot of people have. it doesn t seem to be the best political strategy. steven, who behind-the-scenes in his camp might he might be taking some directives from as they shift him back on the policy talk? reporter: it s a good question. at this point donald trump is following his own instincts. people like kellyanne conway his campaign manager who came aboard a few months ago got donald trump back on track. got him to talk about policy. in recent days donald trump has decided look i ll do this my way. it almost seems like an admission if i lose i ll go down with my most loyal supporters. i was with donald trump this week at a few of his rallies. there s no way any of donald trump s loyal base of supporters are going to desert him over this. the question is what happens to other more moderate republicans. we ve seen fluctuations in his polls in recent weeks because more moderate republicans are getting on and off the trump train wondering whether they can support him. that doesn t take into account the people he really needs if he s going win this election, moderate voters, suburban educated women, white voters in places like philadelphia, colorado, florida. so, you know, donald trump is facing a huge task here. no modern candidate has faced this kind of avalanche of allegations so close to the election. his route to the white house was already closing before this but now it s closing even more. real quickly let s point out there are a lot of people who absolutely refuse to vote for hillary clinton as well and she s dealing with her own challenges with all the wikileaks and hacked emails. in fact her campaign spokesman said we re still not confirming whether or not any of the wikileaks documents are authentic and are therefore not commenting on their content. the thing is, steven, surely they would know by now what is authentic and what is now. does their silence hurt them on this? reporter: it suits them not to address that question or give the impression this is all a russian plot. one of the down sides for donald trump in his strategy to address the allegation about him it s drowned out this daily drip, drip release of wikileaks documents which could have hurt hillary clinton and put the focus back on the fact that many people see her as dishonest and not transparent. the clinton campaign is happy to step back, let donald trump take the stage because it s taking the spotlight away from things that can damage her in the run up to the last debate and in the last three weeks of the election. at least until wednesday night final debate when the spotlight is on both of them. appreciate seeing you this morning. thank you. so with less than a month, 24 days, you know we know how many days are left here. what should we expect from the trump campaign next? our political panel will weigh in. as focus remains on accusations against donald trump we want to take a look what hillary clinton is doing behind-the-scenes and the wikileaks challenge she has. hi, i m jamie foxx for sprint. and i m jamie foxx for t-mobile. 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accusers come out less than a month before in one of the most important elections in the history of our country. what came out recently were, i was sitting alone in some club. i really don t sit alone that much. all right let s bring in donald trump campaign surrogate, robert zimmermanman democratic strategist and hillary clinton support engineer. good morning. matt let me start with you what we saw last night, that was during the afternoon but another rally last night in which donald trump put the teleprompter to the side said i like it better without the teleprompter although his advisors say focus on your plan for the economy, for jobs, for national security. is this what we saw in that video what we ll see in the next couple of weeks from donald trump? i don t know. i do know this i think if you look what voters are worried about, i think their biggest concern and 70% think this country is on the wrong track is that our economy does not off terrify type of job opportunities nor salary increases over the last 15 years, the take home pay let me just finish. this problem of islamic terrorism and fact that washington is broken. so i agree with you, i think if he focus on those issues i think he connects to these voters who think the country is on the wrong track and i think that s where that s his chance to win the race. but, matt, i want to get to robert in just a second but i think it s important to discuss where some of the trump supporters and clinton supporters were before we heard from these accusers of donald trump. let me take you back to december. december 30th, the first time that donald trump started talking in this race during the primary about the clintons marriage. this is what you said about that then. you know, she loves her husband but clearly her husband has done some things that are just horrible. i mean, you know, we re going hear all about it. let me tell you one thing. donald trump has proven in politics that we ll go places and talk about things in a very clear manner that other politicians tend to shy away. the rules of politics telling you avoid certain areas because you could get stuck. donald trump goes there, and he s going to go there with bill clinton. he seems to get away with it because people appreciate his candor. when you start talking about bill clinton and his moral decisions in his life there is a lot of material. so now you re recommending that donald trump focus on the issues that we re dealing with these accusers but back then you said if you go there with bill clinton there s a lot of material there. there is. reconcile that for me. it s not inconsistent with what i m saying. i m saying in order to win this race you have to connect on these key issues if you re donald trump. if you re hillary clinton you have to make it about something else. she s not seen as a candidate of change she s seen as a candidate of the status quo. as far as these questions as far as treatment of women and moral questions as a republican, as a trump supporter i can t believe that hillary clinton has the l gall to go out on stage and judge us. their moral judgment is repugnant when you consider the fact that bill clinton has been accused of you re characterizing what was found in those emails. is don t do that. look there s put the e-mail up. matt i don t have the graphic but we ll put it up. put it up because i was called backward and it s offensive. is that a fair thing for me to bring up. i hear you re offended. i wanted our viewers to hear what you said in december talking about marriages and what you re saying today. robert to you. i didn t say anything that s excuse me. i stand by everything i said before. that s the problem, matt you do stand by it. let s be very clear, matt. in fact the issue is not whether you re deplorable the issue is the positions you re advocating are deplorable. the idea you can rationalize donald trump s conduct, the fact that he brags about acpredator, brags on howard stern show walk in on 18 and 19-year-old girls who are contestants on the miss universe show. that is in fact deplore scrabble. the idea that he defends himself by saying he wouldn t assault these women because they are not attractive. that s why 60% to 70% in most polls show the american people have decided he doesn t that have character, done have the temperament or leadership to be a president. ultimately every election about the character and qualifications of an individual. that s why donald trump can t talk about issues. when he tries to talk about issues he doesn t have the credibility to address them. hold on, robert let me ask you what many republicans are saying that clinton supporters now are so outraged by the way donald trump is treating his accusers they weren t this outraged when hillary clinton responded to bill clinton s accusers. put up on the screen the graphic from what robert said september of this year the 29th when asked about how you feel about clintons treatment of women in the 90s. hillary stood up for her husband. she stood up for her marriage and very frankly whenever republicans have tried to attack her for that, they have absolutely gone down in flames. you said she was supporting her husband. now you re outraged what donald trump is doing. exactly. in fact cnn own tom foreman and jeffrey toobin pointed out that the claim that hillary clinton attacked these individuals who were accusing bill clinton is, in fact, very thin and mostly false. yeah she mostly. i like that mostly false. she stood up for her husband and outraged by many of the false attacks against him and against her family. here s the point, matt. while she stood up for her husband and her family nothing excuses the way donald trump is, in fact, there s no equivalency between that and the way donald trump brags about being a predator. the worst thing is the way the republicans try to rationalize it. stay with us. we got to get in a break. clinton versus trump the final show un, final time face to face before the election. coverage starts here wednesday at 4:00 p.m. right here on cnn. more to discuss regarding accusations against donald trump and we re taking a look what hillary clinton is doing this weekend. fallout from more hacked emails. stay close. isn t isn t isn t isn t stant stant test staubstantiate stangubstann advisors preparing for her final debate with donald trump. that comes next wednesday in las vegas. but she s hitting the books, doing the same types of preparation she was doing for the previous debates. but before leaving seattle, washington on friday, she also dropped by a campaign field office and talked to volunteers. she talked about how she s taking no satisfaction from this athletic at all and worries about these deep divisions. this election is incredibly painful. i take absolutely no satisfaction in what is happening on the other side with my opponent. i am not at all happy about that because it hurts our country. it hurts our democracy. it sends terrible messages to so many people here at home and around the world. the damage that is being done that we ll have to repair. divisions are being deepened that we ll have to try to heal. so our job doesn t end after this election. reporter: by saying her job does not end after the election signifies she s looking ahead. when you talking to her advisors they tell me that she is, in fact forks concussion on simply winning 270 electoral votes but the reality here is they are preparing for a transition. they are looking forward. they know something different is happening in this race. but that only happens if she has a successful debate next week and she beats donald trump on november 8th. all right. thank you very much. hillary clinton preparing for the next debate but there are also more hacked emails coming to light as a result of the wikileaks release. we ll talk about those in just a moment. dad, one second i was driving and then the next. they just didn t stop 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(vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely. love. it s what makes a subaru, a subaru. 8:33 is the time. good to see you this morning. i m christi paul. i m victor blackwell. let s reintroduce our political panel this morning. matt and robert are back. i want to talk about these emails in just a moment. but there s a tweet out from donald trump i want to get your reaction to. it s just a couple of minutes old. hillary clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail. instead she s running for president in what looks like a rigged election. reinforcing that what we ve seen from trump over several months now, this suggestion that the voters input doesn t matter here, that this is already decided. a rigged election. right. sneers the no we ll go to matt first. this is great. look i think that what donald trump is talking about which is objectively true. there are people who have handled classified information how is that look when i answer could i please answer without interrupting because robert goes answer. leapt me answer and then you can ask another question. other people in this country have hand classified information in a reckless manner in which hillary clinton has handled reckless information and they are in the jail. members of the military are in jail. no question there s a double standard for hillary clinton. i served in the presidency of george w. bush. there were dozens and dozens of my colleagues who faced legal troubles because of wrongdoing and in the obama administration what we have seen is when his secretary of state got in trouble his fbi and his doj for whatever reason has not treated her like they treated other citizens in the country for doing similar things. i think it s a fair statement to make that we should have equal justice under the law even for the clins. get to the last two words of this tweet. we got time. get to the last two words of this. you say this tweet is objectively true. put it back up on the screen. a rigged election. you say this is objectively true. i was speaking to the part about the fact that hillary clinton is not being held accountable. on the rigged election part i think his point is this, victor which sue don t have to agree with it. but for a lot of us republicans we saw bill clinton be accused of wrongdoing from women through a long stretch period of time when it looked like he would win the new hampshire primary. that was the first one. hillary clinton called bimbo eruption. we know the disgusting trail on that. can i finish. if i could just finish it would being a great. when it comes to donald trump you re running the clock. when it comes to donald trump what has happened with literally days to go, a couple of weeks to go before the election right after the debate, right after the tape release all of a sudden these women come out right afterwards. for a lot of republicans that looks coordinated. it doesn t look spontaneous. you re not getting to the point. yes i am. i got the answer. they think it s rigged by the way the fact this was coordinated with the clinton political machine. robert? let s be clear. this is what you call the seven staefgs political failure. first you blame the media. then you come up with these wild conspiracies about your opponent. then you, in fact, claim the system is fixed against you. then of course as matt just did you accuse the fbi director of treason. in fact oh, stop, robert. that s absurd. i didn t talk over you. the american people see-through this. i didn t lie. this is a failing campaign because now donald trump is ultimately not ending up relying upon hacked emails from vladimir putin and russia to justify his political existence. let s be clear. the american people have a very fair sense, a very good sense of decency and good sense of fairness. when they see donald trump praise vladimir putin as a leader, endorse vladimir putin s agenda in the middle east and for dismantdling nato and now they see put in turn release all sorts of what could be doctored emails, they are not authenticated, clearly to help the trump campaign. we can t all talk at the same time. can i speak to that, victor. give him a chance to finish. you now see all these emails released, dock toward and hacked emails from vladimir putin that helped donald trump, the american people see-through this. that s why it s not an issue. donald trump s candidacy is failing. i can speak there s no claim from the campaign these were dock toward emails. they have not been authenticated. let s be clear about what has and has not been kblamd these emails. matt very quickly. i do want to get to wikileaks. hillary clinton was asked a question about these e-mail releases and she specifically answered the question to anderson cooper and compared herself to honest abe lincoln. she never said she questioned the veracity of the leaked emails. that s incorrect. that s not incorrect. that happened on cnn. members of the campaign staff said these 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wikileaks documents are authentic and therefore not commenting on their doesn t. so that is from the campaign. i want to first play to you something that we heard from hillary clinton about a really crucial part of the obama coalition that she needs to hold together to win in the 24 days, latino-americans. this is what she said a couple of weeks ago. watch this. you re not intruders. you re our neighbors. our colleagues. our friends. our families. you make our nation stronger, smarter, more creative. and i want you to know that i see you and i am with you. all right. so then after that there was a part of this hacking, there was an e-mail from john podesta to hillary clinton the subject line, meeting latinos and one easy call listing people that hillary clinton should call. and it included former governor bill richardson former member of her husband s cabinet. it says richardson is still on tv a lot especially on univision and telemundo and he can be and we took the word out it begins with a d, worth getting him in a good place. so, at that event she speaks so highly of latinos her campaign chairman considers people on this list media latino. reconcile those two for me, robert. first of all, victor, i have to say this quite sincerely the idea that we re even discussing emails that are not authenticated, emails hacked from russia according to our intelligence officials and in fact the idea this is driving the discussion i think is really very wrong and very dangerous. the bottom line is whatever the internal strategy that e-mail discusses about reaching out to certain individuals, i m very proud of hillary clinton, because she s articulated a vision for the country about bringing us together that is a very sharp contrast to donald trump and the racist hateful rhetoric that s defined his campaign. let me get the question out. before you jump to the attack and you talk about the stark contrast, there s a stark contrast between what she said there at the event and what her campaign chairman is saying here about media latinos. no, it s not. the subject line is not you need to call these people it s media latinos. we don t know if that subject line is legitimate or not. that s an e-mail about calling a certain individual as opposed she s articulating a message that s sharply different. donald trump has been denounced for being racist. it s defining tissues that separate the two individuals. not these games about emails that you and i don t know are legitimate or not. matt, before you answer let me read bill richardson s response statement to the albuquerque journal . he writes this. i do not care about any characterization of me he made in an e-mail. i fully respect john and recognize the difficult job he has. so that s from the former governor. and matt your response. well first of all, if the standard in this election that we ll only talk about charges that are factual and have been authenticated that ought to work on every topic including the first ten minutes of our conversation here. exactly. in the debate hillary clinton was asked a question by anderson cooper about one of these released wikis. she never said i questioned the authenticity. she answered the question about why she has both public and private positions and she justified it by saying she felt like honest abe lincoln did the same thing. the fact is this. what these emails show was the release of her transcripts from her speeches which she should have released a long time ago and there s many troubling things at all. your trouble at all robert the government of qatar gave bill clinton a million dollars cash so that they could have a five minute meeting with him to talk about redevelopment in haiti? they were proven to be false. that s not false. robert, this is we have to clue people in what you re talking about. there was an earn mail that was sent that was on the occasion of the former president s birthday, the last million dollars that they wanted to give. the question was and we haven t gotten an answer remember cnn has been looking into this was what money handed over, of it to the foundation, we re still investigating that. fair enough. second of all, she said that we can t properly vet the syrian refugees. she said that when she thought that was in a private conversation giving a speech to a room. i think that s problematic. i don t like the fact she said robert let me finish. you ve been able to talk. i respect you. i m on tv a lot with you. i ll answer and then i ll be quiet. thirdly i think it s offensive these emails demonstrate a breathtaking anti-catholic bias when they call us extremely backwards. when they mock how we baptize our children. when they mock saints of the church. when they try to act again mischaracterization. if they could have a coup inside the catholic church. amazingly bigoted statement to people of faith from a campaign whose only central theme we re deplorable and irredeemable and now we re severely backwards. she s running on no issues. robert go ahead. first let me just say i much rather have hillary clinton quoting abe lincoln than watching in fact donald trump in fact channel andrew dice claim and his commentary. that s the difference between two individuals. and the kind of fielt we re seeing from the trump campaign. that s not fair. i m not a liar. matt hold on he called me a liar. if we can talk one at a time we ll wrap it up right now. matt please hold on. robert finish up and then we got to go. very simply the idea we re looking to a man who brags about engaging in sexual assault. who brags about predatory behavior. we got to wrap it there. matt, robert, thank you very much. christie, i ll give it to you. we have to talk about something else. it s been weeks since hurricane matthew hit the east coast and look at what they are still dealing with today. more flooding. areas already that are mostly under water. we ll tell you what they are dealing with and how they will get out of 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hollywood. they were talking first about a married women trump had tried to seduce but he didn t use that word. and then talking about the co-star they were going to make. much of is the graphic and obscene. the very fact the such a videotape of the presidential candidate needs such a warrant speaks for itself. i moved on her actually. she was down in palm beach. i moved on her. and i failed. i ll admit it. i did try and [ bleep ]. she was married. wbr id= wbr941 /> her name was nancy. i moved on her heavily. in fact i took her out furniture shopping. i told her i ll show you where you can get some nice furniture. i moved on her like a bitch. but i couldn t get there. and she was married. and all of a sudden i see her, she s now got the big phony tits and everything. she s totally changed her looks. /b> your girl is hot at [ bleep ]. in the purple. whoa. yes. the donald has scored. whoa, my man. wait you got to look okay. you are a maybe it is a different one. no that s her. you got to get this [indiscernible]. you and i will walk out. oh my gosh. maybe it is a different one. no it s her. yeah that s her. with the gold. i got to use some tic tacs just in case i start kissing her. you know i m automatically attracted to beautiful people. it is like a magnet. i start kissing her. when they are a star you can do anything. they let do you do it. grab them by the [ bleep ]. you can do anything. all i can see is the legs. oh looks good. come on shorty. ooh nice legs. get out of the way, honey. ooh, that s good legs. just got to make sure you don t fall out of the wbr-id= wbr1784 /> bus. like ford, gerald ford, remember? hello. how are you, hi. mr. trump, how are you. good good. terrific. good to see you. billy bush. hello. are you ready to be a soap star? we re ready. let s go. make me a soap star. have a little hug for the donald. he just got off the bus - have a little hug for the bushy, i just got off the bus. as soon as a beautiful woman shows up always has. come here. yeah. let the little guy in. hard to walk like this. yeah you get in the middle. that s better. that s better. now if you had to choose honestly between one of us. me or the donald. i don t know. that s tough competition. seriously. you had to take one of us as a date. i d have to take the fifth on that one. really? i ll take both. which way? make a right. here we go. here we go. i m going to leave you here. my microphone. you re finish sfd. i m going to go to a show. so nearly immediately after this tape was released by the post the trump campaign put out a statement which used the word apologize, though you can judge for yourself whether it was an apology or not. id reads there is locker room banter that took place many years ago. bill clinton has said worse to me on the golf course. not even close. i apologize if someone was offended. for hillary clinton s part she put out a tweet. this is horrific. we cannot allow this man to become president. let s get more reaction to all this which could impact sunday s debate which anderson is moderating. and mike pence was asked about it while on the trail in ohio. as you heard, no answer from governor mike pence there. however rnc chair reince priebus just weighed in. he said no woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner, ever. joining us cnn s mj lee and dana bash who just received some new information on how the trump campaign is reacting, literally at this moment. and gloria borger. dana, what s going on inside trump tower right now. as you can imagine deaf con five would probably ban understatement. we only at this point have the statement which is a couple of sentence, which was referring to bill clinton and things that he allegedly said to donald trump on the golf course which he said are worse and so forth. we haven t heard from donald trump himself beyond that. and they are huddling right now the primaries. but he s got to grow. he s got to add people. he s got to add suburban women. married women. women just women. independents. into his voting block. and he s not going to do that with this kind of language. so i think just in terms of the political conversation and the it is just kind of stunning to watch this unfold. dana? john, i just want to add sort of one way to answer that question why is this different now? with the statement that the highest ranking republican member of congress kathleen rogers just put out which is the most telling so far because it is not just about donald trump the words. it is what he suggested do to no those words. or violence against women. if that is the context in which donald trump is caught on tape saying that that is being interpreted, it is a thousand miles further away than him calling somebody a pig or too fat or anything he said about rosie o donnell. this is in a whole different league. he can touch people how he wants, he can grab people ow he wants because he s a star. we got to take a break but before i want to read a tweet from mitt romney who was the last republican nominee. hitting on married women, condoning assault. such vile things degrade our wives and daughters and the world. just ahead. the reporter who broke this story. and also the latest on hurricane matthew. that s ahead on 360. when i was a little kid, i made a deal with myself .it s a canvas for painting. you can t do that on a mac. redid you say 97?97! yes. you know, that reminds me of geico s 97% customer satisfaction rating. 97%? 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it was shocking. this is the voice of donald trump you have heard now for a couple of years solid and a voice you have gotten used to hearing in a political context and here he is discussing this in a pretty lewd and outrageous manner. i was pretty surprised. he calls this locker room bantder. the thing is he s 56 years old. and it is not just crass language. it is predatory. when you are a star you can do it. you can do anything. you can grab them by the and then he goes on. and right. it is not just hey look at that woman, isn t she hot? it goes beyond that. what he does. not describing what he d like to do but what he has done apparently to women. how he s a star he can kiss them if he wants to. he can grope them. that just makes this more interesting and shocking. it is not just like look at that women. she s a ten. he s saying this is what i have done to women in the past and will do again. and you can judge the magnitude of this by the fact that the trump campaign responded very quickly with a statement that included the word apologi apologize. which he s apologizing if anyone was offended. which is a non apology, apology. obviously leaves room for the view that people will listen to this or see this and not be offended by. ive. but certainly is a full step from just apologizing for something you wish you hadn t done. apologizing is different from i m sorry i ever said it. i shouldn t have said it at all. that said he uses the word apology which i m not sure he has used at all this campaign season. so that is a big deal in and of itself from the trump campaign. it is unusual. right though that he s apologizing sort of in a way as i apologize if you take offense. not that i looked at myself and took account of my own moral conduct and decided it was wrong of me to have done this. and in that statement he of course takes on bill clinton. he says bill clinton has said worse things to me on the golf course. i guess it is not surprising he goes after bill clinton on this because that is what he tends do whenever the subject of woman comes up. but again he s not running against bill clinton is he. and bill clinton wasn t on the bus with him that day. this was donald trump and billy bush. donald trump leading the conversation. so whatever he may have heard from bill clinton, unless he s claiming he didn t know these words until bill clinton taught him, i think it is a little irrelevant to what trump said that day in the video. there was not a clinton on the bush. there was a bush on the bus. billy bush who now works for nbc news, i m sure we ll get a response from him also at some point. what kind of legs do you think this has going forward? it is friday night before the second debate. what questions remain unanswered here? i think this will continue to be something people talk about. the difference here is this is audio and video. you are hearing trump in his own words saying these things. it is different hearing it secondhand. i ve been wrong about everything else about the election but it may come up in the debate and something trump is asked about later on. and maybe something mike pence, a strong independent christian will be asked about. and trump s evangelical supporters will be asked about. and a kind of thing that goes to trump s moral character and that could last the next week, maybe longer. people who appear with trump, who have endorsed trump. people like paul ryan certainly could and will be asked about this going forward. thank you so much. thank you. late tonight billy bush did in fact put out a statement. it reads obviously i m embarrassed and ashamed. it s no excuse but this happened eleven years ago. i was youngerish less mature and acted foolishly in playing along. i m very sorry. it is sounds like the kind of thing a lot of college students might be hearing about or warned about on orientations on sexual assault on campuses. lot to discuss here. joining me now. also with us. cnn chief political analyst gloria borjer and cnn political commentators and the political supporters. kayleigh, said no woman should be talked about in this manner ever. exactly right. it was hard to hear those words today s. it is inexcusable. i think the statement was not enough. i think donald trump needs to humble himself and come out to the american people and say i m not the person i was 11 years ago. i m a different person. i m not that person. and i think that he needs to apologize to the american people. because if we know anything about the american people they are forgiving people. they forgave bill clinton for his transgressions in the oval office. and i think they forgive when you humble yourself. and i think that is what he needs to do. apologize. bottom line. inexcusable. not just if people were offended but apologize period. yes. apologize to the american people directly, all of them. amanda carpenter, when you heard this, you had a somewhat visceral reaction. yeah. this is bigger than trump. this is about the republican party. and if there is any elected republican official who doesn t know what to say, they should call up a rape survivor tonight and ask them what they heard when they heard donald trump say these words? this isn t as reince priebus said talking about something that trump describes women this way. trump is saying this is something that he did. this isn t harassment. it is not locker room talk. he is talking about sexual assault. there is no other way to frame this. and listen, i have a 4 and a half-year-old daughter. last night we had the news on and she pointed at the tv and she said is that man a trump. in a couple of years she s going to watch shows like this and know what s going on. and right now this election is going to be about how the republican party treats women. and right now seeing the statements come out from other republicans trying to dismiss this or go past it? i don t know what that answer is. i want to be in this party. but if they will not respect women and recognize that donald trump is boasting about sexual assault, we women cannot stand by this. scotty. well these were comments that were made 11 years ago. and let me agree with kayleigh and amanda. these were horrible comment. no place whether you are a republican or democrat, there is no place for them in america today. and i think we need to hold people that are in pop culture and hollywood who are in our rap music and in our reading we need to hold them accountable just as much for donald trump. but this reconfirms he was not running for office back then. he was a part of a different world than he is now. and he always said i would only run for president if there were no one else to solve the problems we have today. and officially he feels like he s the one who can do it and 14 million people in the primary agree with him. and now i think it is wonderful the timing of this video mahas come out. the same day wikileaks comes out. and . because for political reasons. she says she and her husband she can t really relate to middle class people right. now due to the fact she s not one of them anymore because of all the money her and her husband made. so the timing of this video hang on. it is eleven years ago. yes. but it is not like donald trump was in junior high. he was 59 years old when he said it. so he was a fully formed individual. and gloria borger, again, let s talk about amanda s point right there. the pressure this puts on the republican party now to deal with this. paul ryan is supposed to be on a stage with him tomorrow in wisconsin. what s gonna happen? right. this goes beyond crude talk, to predatory behavior. and i think it is a tipping point right now for the republican party. and i think, you know, my e-mail has kind of been blowing up from republicans who are saying to me. i mean, bush s former campaign manager said to me he s a pig, i m voting for hillary clinton. this is a republican. i think that democrats are going to force republicans to say whether they still support donald trump for president. i think you are going to start hearing calls from republicans privately and then maybe publicly to say what is our plan b here? i think this has gone beyond, again, a matter of crude talk and crude behavior to insults to women to something that s quite frankly predatory. and i think the party has to grapple with this. you have the chairman saying this is inexcusable and then there is a second thing, okay. then what? now what, reince priebus? and i think people are asking themselves that question tonight and i think these are very sad conversations. i feel for the young people who are working in the donald trump campaign who spoke to mj lee about how they feel about pouring their heart and soul into a campaign, and now this tape comes out. so anna navarro. we re going to take a quick break. but when we come back i m going to ask you this question. is there anything donald trump can say tonight to make this go away? is there anything that paul ryan or other republicans that are supporting donald trump can say over the next 24 hours that will satisfy you and make this go away at least for the next 32 days until election day. that is to you anna after the break. also a close watch on hurricane matthew now blamed for four deaths in florida and a new update from the hurricane center coming up. 6 only a few. truly move us. with over one million on the road, wbr id= wbr17955 /> lexus hybrids are always charged and always ready. /b> tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb,. .hepatitis b, are prone to infections, .or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. if you re still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. just a small snippet of the tape. what donald trump needs to do is humble himself before the american people and apologize for the words he said. admit that they were beyond the line. would that satisfy you? no. look, i think what donald trump needs do is quit. i think he needs to stop being the republican nominee. he s dragging this entire process down the gutter. he s dragging the entire republican party down the gutter. you have to understand he cannot win. he is irredeemable. this is not something you are going to recover from. and the reason is because this is consistent behavior from donald trump. this is not a one-time occurrence. we ve heard him throughout the campaign call rosie o donnell a fat wbr-id= wbr20948 /> big, about miss universe. megyn kelly s menstrual cycle. and giving numbers for scores for scoring their bodies. how many times does he get away with saying something image i misogynistic or sexist before we call him it. it is time to condemn the man. it is time to ask him to step down. it is time to tell america he does not represent republican values. he is a pig. he is vile. this is consistent behavior by him. the only difference is that now we have it on tape and now we have it on video. but this man is not fit to be president of the united states. he is not fit to be the republican nominee. he is not fit to be called a man. kailg mcenany, to that point is this an aberration, as scotty was saying, 11 years ago? or is this part of who donald trump is? wbr id= wbr21600 /> because he s said things on the campaign trail this year about women that have raised a lot of eyebrows. he was tweeting about miss universe a week ago. where i disagree, is i don t think any human being is irredeemable. i think the comments is inexcusable. as a christian they don t lay right with me or sit right with me. but also a christian i know when you apologize for something, you are forgiven. and you can wipe away anything you have done in the past because you can be forgiven by the blood of jesus christ. that is what i believe as the christian. i don t think he s irredeemable. i think he s a different person now than he was then and i think if he humbles himself and explains to the american people that i ve learned from people around me and i m a man of honor and i ve learned from that. a father, a grandfather. and everything about this is redeemable. what about mike pence? the trump campaign kicked the pool out. he didn t answer questions on a rope line. how does he respond to this /b> wbr-id= wbr22200 /> going forward? he really has to examine his heart. i mean, to be sure god does forgive but there are just some things that are just disqualifying for someone who wants to be president of the united states. in that tape he s saying that he believes, and he did, he could do anything to women because he was a star. that means he felt he was entitled to assault women because he had power. he s running if are the most powerful office in america. what does that mean he thinks he would be entitled to do? there is really no bounds. once you say you can grab a woman like that, he can t stop himself from kissing someone? assaulting someone? i don t think there is any limit. so i hope mike pence examines his heart, his soul. and, you know, christians may be able to forgive donald trump for his actions and his words. but that does not mean he gets a pass to become president of the united states is this. scotty, how do you respond to this? because you have heard kayleigh who was a trump support say this crossed the line. you have heard folks who are not supporters say this makes them question the very party you are a member of. you are a shrewd political observer and you have followed politics a lock time. trump is having a real problem with women voters. a real problem with independents. does this hurt him irreparably. tlurm a number of women supporting donald trump for one reason only. because he s not hillary clinton. her actions have been even worse and going forward the reason we re supporting mr. trump, why i personally is for my family. i want to be able to protect for my family and i want to be able to provide for my family. nothing do with these words from 11 years or any other things he s said in the past. i care he s going secure our border and preserve my constitution and second amendment rights. and other than that let s stay for the tabloids and talk about the things that matter most for most mother, most women in this world is please, protect my family, provide for my family. something he s put a plan out and we know he will co-and hillary clinton doesn t put emphasis on that. here is the problem. before we even get to discuss agenda. before we even get to discuss policy there is a minimum requirement of morality, of moral compass, of decency, of human empathy, of behaving like an adult. of behaving not like a sexual predator. and if you are incapable of meeting that minimum requirement you can t even talk to me about policy because you are unfit to be on the ballot. and it is time not only donald trump think about what he s doing but republicans who have endorsed him, this is the time to disavow this man. paul ryan, our lonely highs look to you. you are my friend. i though you. you are a decent human being. you are a good husband, a good father. you cannot stand by this man tomorrow. reince priebus, same goes for you. he will ruin the republicans that are on the ballot with him. we cannot afford this. if we re going to have a party that survives we must disown donald trump tonight. we re going take up that thought. we re also going to take up what s going on inside trump tower right now because i have to believe there are big decisions being made as we speak about when he will address this, how he will address it. seems to me he s got to get to this sometime before he takes that debate stage sunday night. a debate by the way that anderson will be moderating. just 48 hours away now from the second presidential debate. in st. louis. our coverage here all day long on sunday. anderson will be one of the moderators along with abc news martha raddatz. and more on hurricane matthew as it makes up the southeastern coast. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what s up for the next shift? 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and out of the city. it is officially closed. there is in fact a cur fay from 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. what happens is when the storm surge came in it was meant to be eight feet of storm surge. the mayor said everyone get out. population of about 13 and a half thousand. half of them said no, we re going to stay. they are stuck there now. roads and bridges closed until emergency services say it is safe to reopen them. so that is just one example of what s happening up and down the southeast coast when it comes to storm surge. you know, thousands of people being affected by this. and a lot of damage been done. very historic city st. augustine. probably dmoen to a lot of people. that is the concern up and down the coast. st. augustine, michael thank you o much. a new advisor from the hurricane center just out. what s the latest. well as the category two storm but that means absolutely nothing. it s built up strength for so many days now that category, 3, 4 hurricane is going to see all the water under the eye slam northward and they could see even great storm surge than in st. augustine and jacksonville. we re going to see heavier amounts of rain than we ve already on the coastline. tornado watch is expected from yesterday because of the angle of approach. we dodged a major bullet today with that eye stay 20-25 miles off shore. yesterday talking with anderson we talked about every mile counts. the difference between catastrophic damage and then moderate to severe damage which, occurred. don t get me wrong. it s very bad but it could have been much worse. but now it is going to get worse. the large precipitation shield is all from the eye northward. the greatest effects in the colors of yellow on the northern prieriphery of the i eye will sm with full momentum. georgia south carolina and north carolina. head.e concerned about hilton a big concentration of pine trees. they blow over easily in 45, 50 miles per hour gusts. weak root systems. this model which has been spot on, continues to take it very close. this is a saturday/sunday event. so far good news, it was low tide at jacksonville at 7:30. it is going to be low tide tomorrow morning in charleston, where it approaches at its closest event. again now category 2 but the angle of approach, john, mooens everything. let s hope it moves out and away. yesterday we were talking about the big curve it is going to take. i wouldn t worry about that so much. it is undergoing shear right now and we re hoping it breaks down further. so not much event coming back around. we re already seeing the surge five, six peat above average in some areas. big areas of concern in georgia, particularly south carolina. thank you so much. just ahead, back to other breaking news. donald trump caught on tape talking crudely about women. a highlight reel in a moment plus the latest on hurricane matthew, the deadly storm remains dangerous now heading for georgia and south carolina. i have asthma. .one of many pieces in my life. 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