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Seat of pants, doing it his way, heavily digital, no gurus. does that matter? donald trump kind of proved in '16 it didn't matter as much as it used to. but do those same rules apply in the dem primary? that's what we're doing to find out. >> really interesting reporting there perhaps about how this is all gone down the last few weeks. i do want to suggest, nia, that beto o'rourke himself seemed to address some of the issues that you brought up about his whiteness and maleness. in his vanity fair piece talked about that. he said i totally understand people who will make a decision on the fact ...

Of would be campaign staffers asking them to work on his campaign. he got lots of encouragement but lots of folks said no. they didn't want to move toll paso and uproot their lives. part of the reason this took so long was because he was trying to get folks to work for him and put together the organization to actually go forward. as of last weekend, he still doesn't have a campaign manager. it's not clear this morning who his campaign manager is going to be. we have in our story, guys, that last weekend at the big festival in austen south by southwest he actually had an hour and a half meeting...