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Public hearings, transcripts available, some kind of due process for the president. his lawyers will get to cross examine. the most important thing about this is that this formalizes the process and that gives democrats a slightly stronger hand when they go to court to try and compel or enforce the subpoenas they issued. once they formalized it, it gives them a little bit stronger hand. >> bret: congressman collins earlier said this does not change their complaints about this process. it doesn't -- they believe a fair take because of the guidelines that are set up at the minutia of the resolut...

That this call took place. and either he felt emboldened by that, by getting off scot-free, or having the mueller probe lifted off of his back, and then in releasing the transcript, it was almost giving pelosi and adam schiff the weapons to use against him. >> that's exactly right. the argument you've heards ove and over from the republicans, you heard it ytoday, is that t democrats have been moving towards impeachment since the day president trump took office. that's contradicted by the very fact that nancy pelosi was very clearly not going to impeach the president. >> as was adam schiff. >> ...

Members of the judiciary committee. and so, you know, whenever you're calling witnesses, you don't know what's going to happen. i think they actually laid out a process that allows to at least control the environment so it doesn't become a circus. >> can they control their own sort of grandstanding, charlie question of we'll seen members of escongress, on chairman nadler's own o committee, reall diminish their political effectiveness p by the way they perform, not following up on questions, just as the republicans dides during the benghazi inquiry. >> and look at what republicans are doing, i ...

Kupperman and bolton are saying, we have two competing directives here which could be of equal weight, federal judge, you decide.l >> and donna edwards, john bolton is an unlikely hero for democrats, a hard line conservative, a hawk against the iran agreement. but he,, t according to other witnesses,g taylor, fiona hill and others, was arguing against the shadow diplomacy of rudy giuliani and the pressure on ukraine as being improper. >> i mean, here's the thing. we have witnesses all around john bolton who validate his role. bringing john h bolton i think important, and will be a signal to ot...

Republican -- >> he'sre not a never trumper. >> he really is not. so that will be important to see. in an evidentiary process, you would always want to interview and depose the witness first and then bring him forward in public testimony, so it's not one or the other. i think this might be both. >> what's the political fallout, charlie, if you're a voter in wisconsin which according to poll is one of the battleground states where only 44% support the process. do people have anor open mind a or they locked in? >> i think most people are locked in, but you don't have to move a huge number in a s...