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Document in my view could be relevant, material and important in terms of a charging decide is if there's evidence and the counsel has sufficient evidences to charge selling the document, or if it's tied up that he's been taking efforts to conceal this from the investigators, to defy the subpoena, the search warrants and supplemental searches. unless it's tied up in the supplemental issues, it goes to the fact pattern. >> and the key question, as you rais we are also following n cnn reporting on the doj investigation into former vice president mike pence. that case is now closed, with prosecu...

Investigation. >> tim, you actually know donald trump pretty well and his orbit, what's your reaction to this letter and this tactic if you will? >> i think they are desperate. this is not an astute or strategic action by lawyers who feel like they are in control of a narrative or that they are in control of where this particle investigation is heading. they are doing what trump has always done. they are trying to politicize an investigation and they are not responsive around the law or the rule of law. and i think it's indicative of a number of things. trump, for all of the mythology around t...

>> nicolle, it's sort of striking to think about all of the different criminal exposures, legal exposures that trump has going on right now from the probe in georgia to the civil trial with e. jean carroll and everything going on with jack smith. they all sort of cluster around a central set of facts. this is a man who believed he was entitled to do whatever he liked because of his office, because of his station. and who care what's the rules were? that was pretty much the watch word for his presidency. it was an incredibly unorthodox presidency in terms of following basic rules for doing lots...

Fact pattern that we saw. i would also note this didn't just happen once. it happened twice with hunter biden. because we learned last week from that testimony of david and carrion's, cia individual that a current cia analyst when he submitted something for prepublication and review, in return he gets an email saying sign onto this letter with 51 other intel officials but it's allegedly a current cia employee doing this. you covered up something that was vital to the american people. >> harris: talk about what it was like to be inside an administration with a man at the top was targeted in thi...

Did something wrong you should indict. the thesis of pomerantz' book. don't shy away from a difficult prosecution. instead you have multiple counts. to the very end, joe, i know there would be something in addition to the hush money payments, because i've always thought they were problematic as a prosecutor. >> willie, again, so many strong cases against donald trump. obstruction case, i'm sorry. easy to me to say from the cheat seats, looks like a slam dunk. the obstruction case looks like a slam dunk. georgia, man. the fact pattern, horrible for donald trump. absolutely horrible. they got ta...