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Participated in the assault on the capitol that day is 18 usc 1512 which is an obstruction charge. charges for somebody who is obstructing the activity of what congress was trying to do that day. i think that say really difficult fact pattern to analyze with respect to the former president, if the alleged conduct is simply that he didn't do anything. the way that i would suggest the committee hopefully is conducting its analysis looks tat in two ways. what are the actual activities he was engaged in, and those close to him were engaged in leading up to january 6th and on january 6th. that were...

Could come out of this litigation is to find out who planted ruby freeman's make in his ear, who in georgia and who in the white house convinced them on that phone call to target her. because that phone call remains one of the biggest smoking gun pieces of evidence in any kind of legal battle against trump about trying to overturn the election in georgia more broadly and whether he fomented electoral fraud there and there's a case pursuing that right now down there as we all know. i think -- i think that ruby freeman's case, like these other cases, i think, dominion's suit against fox and rudy...

Sedition conspiracy. the fact pattern is different, but i would note that the government alleges there that the government -- >> which government just to be clear? >> the justice department. i'll let you respond, but let me read what is alleged in the indictment, which was filed, which says, basically that he was opposing by force the lawful transfer of presidential power. you said you wanted to oppose that transfer of power, just not by force. is it fair to say you and this oath keeper you have the same intent, just different methods. >> ari, look. you're doing your prosecutor thing. how abou...

Executive order to literally seize the voting machines, the dod, to seize the voting machines. but it didn't happen. again, the exact legal culpability would be very much in question. you say you want doj to investigate that and, i imagine, this alternate slate of electors. investigate what exactly? >> well, we have a fact pattern now where the people around the president of the united states were seeking to bring to bear yiets military forces to seize voting machines. that's the fact pattern i used to see as a young cia analyst reading intel about foreign countries. ultimately what they're go...

Of amazon from charity platform, but we need people on msnbc and cnn and the like to stand up and say this is wrong, this individual should not be allowed out on the street or even on home arrest, this is potentially anti-semitic, what is the line that silences violence and complicity? there you have it. we are hearing a lot of silence to make a joke about it. >> the fact pattern would have been different, it would be the lead story, as was the case with kyle rittenhouse. it laid out comparison between what is going on. with quintez brown, he compared him to kyle rittenhouse, quintez brown blm...