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Have lifetime protection and good benefits over time. so that is the deal. you don't get union negotiating powers as you would if you were a steel worker. >> bill: i said that all this week that governor walker should compromise on this issue to get it done by saying to the union workers, listen, we'll protect through state law, but we can't allow your union to run rough shot over our fiscal situation there. that is a compromise. if you are a federal worker you are protected through the law but not through the union. so certainly they could do that in wisconsin, right? >> i don't know why it w...

Have lifetime protection and good benefits over time. so that is the deal. you don't get union negotiating powers as you would if you were a steel worker. >> bill: i said that all this week that governor walker should compromise on this issue to get it done by saying to the union workers, listen, we'll protect through state law, but we can't allow your union to run rough shot over our fiscal situation there. that is a compromise. if you are a federal worker you are protected through the law but not through the union. so certainly they could do that in wisconsin, right? >> i don't know why it w...

You might get less in wages but you are protected. >> bill: okay. if you give them one more and say, look we'll make this part of our state law and then you don't have any beef or whatever. i think they are going to have -- how do you think it's going to play out? it's a civil war. public seems to be divide order it, polls are all over the place. how do you see it coming out? >> i do know one thing, if the governor of wisconsin and the republicans cave in on this, it will be historic cave. walker's career is done, his power in governor as done. he may not have thought this was going to be the ...

You might get less in wages but you are protected. >> bill: okay. if you give them one more and say, look we'll make this part of our state law and then you don't have any beef or whatever. i think they are going to have -- how do you think it's going to play out? it's a civil war. public seems to be divide order it, polls are all over the place. how do you see it coming out? >> i do know one thing, if the governor of wisconsin and the republicans cave in on this, it will be historic cave. walker's career is done, his power in governor as done. he may not have thought this was going to be the ...

Can have lavish -- >> no. >> bill: i'm giving you an example. >> we're talking about a democratic governor selling out in wisconsin. >> the teachers have agreed to give back. >> that is true are they are not addressing the new jersey situation. we're not here and you are dictating what we talk about now. >> what is happening in wisconsin. >> no. >> it's happening all overamerica, that is what it's about. >> and union members are being blamed for problems they didn't create. >> not union members fault, but it's the union's leadership fault and there are sellout guys like corzine, who sold out t...