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However, behind all of that, the president has continued to tweet about what he sees as a witch hunt or a scam process in terms of impeachment and i expect as we saw during the last two weeks of hearings in intelligence committee that the president will be paying attention closely as things shift to the judiciary committee and i think we can probably expect the president will be tweeting some of his thoughts and comments during the judiciary committee hearings. >> and on that point, do you think president trump will decide to involve coup sell or call witnesses for the judiciary hearings by th...

Launching an impeachment inquiry? >> yes, that i are. i think there is pa clear majority of the democratic caucus that's come out for impeachment. i think chairman nadler is clearly moving forward. >> it doesn't seal to be unclear to don beyer. you say what then? >> i say that what we're doing is our oversight and investigative work the entire congress. which is what we should do. you know, generally, i don't see how you can go to just a judiciary committee and say we want you to make an inquiry in regards to impeachment without having all of the evidence that you have need. and so the finance...

Do it publicly. >> what do you think about that? either one of you guys, do you think the court is going to rule they will testify, no more gagging rule? >> i think it would be very -- you are a better expert. i would say, briefly, i think it would be very hard pressed for the court to buy, lock, stock and barrel the argument in the white house that nobody can ever be forced to talk to congress. >> i think david is right. but the problem is when? again, it's easy for the trump administration to try to run out the clock so the dirt doesn't come out until after the election. justice delayed is j...