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In control of ukrainians. are you seeing a lot of air activity? are you seeing ukrainian fighter jets and planes in the sky above kyiv? we have seen a few jess this morning. we don't know what side it is. the more area russia controls the harder to get weapons. in they do not control a single major population center. will: one last question, steve, you mentioned 50,000 residents of kyiv have left the city. what's the feeling in the city right now? i take it it's not a ghost town but good percentage of those residents must have left the city at this point? >> you know, and they are expecting ev...

And i think the longer this goes on the more frustrated the russians get, the more they're willing to take off the gloves and target urban areas, the more pressure the west is going to feel to respond to that. >> you're talking about unintended scenarios. there's a lot of fighting along borders where nato troops are stationed. you're talking about the black sea. there's already been reports that some foreign ships have been unintentionally, it seems, hit by missile fire. it seems like it's an extraordinarily delicate situation. >> that's right. i mean, the black sea, you know, given the ships ...

About 40 miles east of the border of poland. not sure if it was a test, not sure if there was russian air activity, we haven't seen any russian fighter jets or bombers so far. this city which they call the cultural capital of ukraine has not been struck at least not that we could tell. life is returning to normal here believe it or not. traffic is full out here, obviously don hasbrouck. far different scene north of ukraine's capital where rows and rows of russian armored personnel carrier are making their way into ukraine. i've spent some time up near chernobyl a few weeks ago to see the ukrai...

Side, a lot of heavy gunfire. i can only presume that is a russian helicopter that has come in to attack the ukrainian forces that have dug in on this side. that would explain those explosions. it has gone quiet now, that may be ominous, i don't know. we were hearing just before that quite a lot of shelling whizzing over our heads. what the russian forces would now have to do, if they have successfully stopped the ukrainians on this side is begin to move over that bridge. we haven't seen that yet, but we don't know what the outcome of those significant explosions were over there. but this is a...

Ukrainians where hearing have quite a lot of success holding them back, but what are you seeing? >> that's right. i think a lot of people in the pentagon i spoke to think that the russians would come much harder. they would go into the capital after two days. decapitate the government, may be kill zelensky and install a new government. that has not been the case. this russian convoy we keep hearing about seems to be inching along, which is kind of surprising because he would think tanks, self-propelled artillery, armored vehicles would be moving at a bit of a brisker pace. they are certainly p...