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Out of 18 to make a recommendation go forward to be considered. >> greta: our current debt is 12.8, 13 trillion give or take a few billion, whatever. you say you are in favor of cutting spending. it seems there are three ways to arrive at resolving this. you cut spending. you raise taxes or you rev up the economies so we have a lot of money pouring in to the government or some combination of those three, is that a fair sort of -- >> that's fair arithmetic, right. >> greta: how are you going to convince everybody in this panel to your viewpoint that it should be cutting spending and not raising...

Out of 18 to make a recommendation go forward to be considered. >> greta: our current debt is 12.8, 13 trillion give or take a few billion, whatever. you say you are in favor of cutting spending. it seems there are three ways to arrive at resolving this. you cut spending. you raise taxes or you rev up the economies so we have a lot of money pouring in to the government or some combination of those three, is that a fair sort of -- >> that's fair arithmetic, right. >> greta: how are you going to convince everybody in this panel to your viewpoint that it should be cutting spending and not raising...