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Courts are going to do, what additional information is coming out. that's why senator schumer's request for additional witnesses is so important. we saw what happened in watergate when the smoking gun tape came out afterwards. >> jamil, do you agree? >> look, i think the congresswoman is right that of course new evidence might come out, it might be probative to the impeachment inquiry. it might result in new articles of impeachment. the problem, of course, is while that's good as a legal matter and political matter, it's a disaster for democrats. democrats are trying to ensure the president do...

Theirs. so two separate questions to you. brendan, in your opinion as someone who consults and talks about republicans and strategizes, is rudy giuliani doing a good job here serving the president of the united states at what i think anyone would call a critical moment in history? >> of course not. i think the white house would love rudy giuliani to just go away. everything that he has done since all of this started is outrageous. going back to the fact that he's actually now still going over to ukraine and continuing to go through this process of looking for dirt on the bidens. you got caught...

Your show, went to the senate floor and basically laughed at nancy pelosi for this idea that she was going to withhold them. he has all the cards here. he was flexing his muscle. you talked earlier about how some of the vulnerable republican senators are important here. susan collins of maine probably the most vulnerable one, came out right after chuck schumer talked about requiring witnesses up front and said i don't like this. if mitch mcconnell has susan collins on his side, then he has everything he needs to control this process going forward. it's a bit of a spoiler alert, i guarantee to ...

Because he's not expected to get that as lindsay graham has made quite clear, the president has to be able to and wants to be able to distance himself from that and say i wanted those people but it was up to the senate and the senate voted not to give them to me. i thought they should have testified. >> it is a pleasure to have you all on this christmas eve. thank you for being with us and rolling with some of this stuff. i want to bring in now chris lewis, senior white house aid to president obama, before that deputy chief counsel of the house oversight commit. both of you have unique insight...

Is aen itting threat. how can you justify any delay? >> i don't think anyone is suggesting there is going to be any unnecessary delay. the speaker said at the press conference that she wants to see what the process is so she can make an informed judgment about who will best mag thnage that. look, let's focus on the important thing here. this is a serious action by the house. we have accused the president of two very serious crimes. >> uh-huh. >> the senate has a responsibility to try the president, and the american people have a right to expect that will be done in a thoughtful, deliberative, ...