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2040. the balance, the budget they voted for would require you to lift the sent ceiling by $8 trillion between the years now and -- >> chris: gentlemen, we have a lot to cover. let's move on to the next thing. we will get back to a bunch of the issues. if cut, cap and balance fails. most people say whether it is good policy or not that the chances it is actually going to pass in the next two weeks are pretty slim. the most likely fallback is some version of mitch mcconnell's fallback plan. it would allow the president to raise the debt limit $2.5 trillion without any spending cuts but there is...

Do for the american people. he made it clear he's willing to go into areas that he's not in the past been comfortable going into, and others will have to do that as well. >> but he used that figure. >> but he also said that if we can't get the most done, then in addition to extending the debt, we should do as much as we can. there are a number of ways to get there. we aspire more -- >> but my question is on the number. if you get beyond $1 trillion and he still can't get any tax increases, the president said i'm not willing to cut more spending without having tax increases. >> well, what the p...

Lot to cover. let's move on to the next thing. we will get back to a bunch of the issues. if cut, cap and balance fails. most people say whether it is good policy or not that the chances it is actually going to pass in the next two weeks are pretty slim. the most likely fallback is some version of mitch mcconnell's fallback plan. it would allow the president to raise the debt limit $2.5 trillion without any spending cuts but there is talk about including more than a trillion dollars in cuts and setting upper in debt commission. congressman van hollen, wouldn't that be almost a total failure by...

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