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Tax breaks. we always are in this situation where you are rushing down to the last minute and this gets carried over from bill to bill to bill and nobody picks it apart and says this is stupid. why would this be in here. >> there is another part to that. on the extended bill is the subsidy for wind energy which a lot of conservatives objected to and wanted to take out of the bill and we wouldn't given the opportunity to do that. all we are given is the chance to vote up or down on a bill. we are often put in a difficult situation of not being able to make bills better with amendments and that ...

Him think he's drowning, but he's not, i would say that's justified. a lot of people wouldn't. [ all speak at once ] >> i think it's -- >> but the issue, chris, this fallback position, it's the only way. there are a lot of experts in interrogation who say it's not the only way. the fbi interrogators took issue with cia interrogators, that was not the only -- [ all speak at once ] >> let us tell the world we tortured. >> we did already. this report will tell the world nothing about the big picture. so the world always has a reason, our enemies, to get upset and to do something. [ all speak at o...

Reasonable argument to make that it is and we probably shouldn't do it. on the other hand -- >> why not? >> well, if you're in a situation with something like khalid sheikh mohammed and the only way to get the information to save american lives to make him think he's drowning, but he's not, i would say that's justified. a lot of people wouldn't. [ all speak at once ] >> i think it's -- >> but the issue, chris, this fallback position, it's the only way. there are a lot of experts in interrogation who say it's not the only way. the fbi interrogators took issue with cia interrogators, that was no...

Was physically capable, there there was a physical ailment from preventing him turning to his right side and brags about his mental health on the website. is that a peek how the case will be defended? >> i have to say, this is one of the most overwhelming cases in terms of evidence i've ever sooner and the way it was brilliantly laid out by the prosecutor, i really thought told the story from beginning to end and kind of connected the dots. i think they're going to do what they can. he's deaf, but he's not blind. and he had many opportunities to turn around and see that child and we know that ...

Okay, i can get behind this executive order, but it has to include the religious carveout. >> you will see that. >> you see the politics of this issue sort of -- like, they kind of recruited to this fallback position which is they're not contesting any more but now it's the religious exemption position is the fallback. >> that gives them cover, right? so you make it about religion then they can say, we just want to protect religion, we want to protect people. we want to, you know -- that's what gives them cover. that's why they're falling back to that position strategically. >> when they talke...