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The government were not to raise the debt ceiling? >> the paradox of the financial markets right now is that the more they think there's going to be a deal, the more they just go, okay, so what? as you saw today. and then people in washington say, you see the financial markets don't care, after all. >> right. they're using it as evidence there will be a deal. >> i know, but then you turn around, and then the moment the deal looks like it's falling aparty, the financial markets will fall apart. >> quickly, shouldn't we just get rid of this thing? should there not be a debt ceiling? >> there sho...

And then people in washington say, you see the financial markets don't care, after all. >> right. they're using it as evidence there will be a deal. >> i know, but then you turn around, and the moment the deal looks like it's falling aparty, the financial markets will fall apart. >> quickly, shouldn't we just get rid of this thing? should there not be a debt ceiling? >> of course there shouldn't be. it's a crazy way to run a railroad and this is not the way any policy should be ran. >> i think that should be part of the deal. in this deal, if you're negotiating anyway about getting this, let's...

Of election cycles. check this out. this gallup poll, 60% say there is a need for major third party to take on the democrats and republicans. let's bring them back. our political outsiders, we're changing the name because they thing outside the box. what about third party? >> it's never been viable. >> well, it is viable with the people increasingly. the system is falling aparty. this is a country that's angry. >> what would it look like? >> a bunch of centrist right committing to get things done, balancing the republicans. >> isn't that mainstream republicans, conservatives to the far right? ...