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To deal with in the past. >> just to be clear, and i think i heard you sate, but just to make sure i heard you correctly, you're saying in terms of talking to the folks at the white house, they're just not giving you any indication of what this falling was about? >> exactly. they're not -- they're not at all saying anything about what this falling out was about. the president obviously was troubled enough that he banned him from mar-a-lago and told him he didn't want to be around him after years of hanging out with him. well just have to figure out what those details are and why they actually ...

The best possible argument he could make, and i didn't resolve anything. >> danielle, just in terms of the politics here, politically from the president's vantage point was to politically create some distance as this epstein story plays out. did he achieve that? does it create any new space? >> no, there is no space to be created. the president tried to do that when he said i haven't spoken to jeffrey epstein in 15 years. we had a falling out. but the reality is look, epstein is doing exactly what the president did before he became president of the united states, tampering with witness, paying...

Epstein who's facing a new round of child sex trafficking charges. maggie, here's part of what has raised interest in the relationship between president trump and jeffrey epstein is this quote that president trump himself gave to new york magazine in 2002 in which he says i've known jeff for 15 years, terrific guy, he's a lot of fun to be with. it's even said he likes beautiful women as much as i do, and many of them are on the younger side. back in 2002 at least what was their relationship? >> by then they were still friends. they did have a falling out, and i think it's important to note the...

As we've been discussing, "the new york times" out today with new reporting on the ties between donald trump and jeffrey epstein. quote, through a mutt mutual appreciation of wealth and women and years of occupying palm beach and "page six" the lives intersected for decades until the connection turned from a status symbol into a liability. mr. trump made sure to publicize the fact he barred his one-time friend from his club. the falling out was reportedly over as what "the times" describes as, quote, a failed business arrangement. before that falling out, a party was planned in which women wer...

Down the entire resort and had calendar models come down, asked somebody to bring calendar models down for a vip event and when the organizer of it came down, he realized that the only two people in attendance at this event were donald trump and jeffrey epstein. they go back a long way. >> yeah, that was in 1992 in mar-a-lago. there's an excellent "new york times" report that details the relationship between donald trump and jeffrey epstein. it does get into that night when it was you the two of them and a bunch of quote, calendar models at mar-a-lago. it sounds like there was a falling out wa...