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Things in our mind at the same time. one, this was a terrible outageous disgusting act. two, it was committed by children. 12-year-olds are children no matter what they do. no matter how horrendous the crime. we are the only country in the developed world that continues to prosecute children as young as 12 years old as adults. should the 12-year-old girls go to prison for the rest of their lives until they are 7 o or 80 because of a terrible thing they did when they were 12 years old. >> how to charge and sentence minors is a difficult question across the board. does the particular fantastical...

That the iranians are complaining like heck about the sanctions. >> sanctions is evidence. >> is evidence there is another way. actually apparently the sanctions have really, really worked. >> professor, before we let you go, i wonder, you write about the idea of perpetual war and we keep doubling down on this. there are no signs -- we talk about the war on terror now as the forever war on this show. do you think the debate over whether or not to intervene in whatever limited fashion militarily in syria is evidence that maybe we are somehow coming to the conclusion of constantly being engaged ...

Again. dick cheney, george bush. >> some talk about what this port ends for 2015. are we going to have candidates both of whom support marriage equality in 2016? >> yes, i think it will be. it's been a remarkable change in the last 20 years. people have fought and died for it. i think the battle is won. >> you think the battle is won. when you look at the numbers gop support at 17%, 2013 at 29%. >> i don't think you're going to see a presidential republican nominee who is opposed to pretty close to if not all the way to full marriage rise for same sex. >> certainly if we're talking about base ...

Quite obvious? >> it's the way to seem honored for a party that has not. >> we have to leave it there, my friend, on this positive note. thank you to ben and howard for joining me today. that's all for now. joy reed in, melissa harris-perry and others. all that plus a cameo appearance with snl cast members indicate mckennon and bobby moin ham. live coverage tomorrow. "andrea mitchell reports" next. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts?

Drones. drones ar way to pinpoint american military power, one could argue, without the massive involvement the professor is talking about. i think even though he gave a speech in cairo about democratic movements and so forth and spoke at the united nations the way he did, i think this president has by and large not challenged the essential militarized stance of america in the world. the pentagon still counts a lot more in foreign policy most of the time than the state department does. that's changing a little bit now. i think diplomacy is in fashion again. for most of his presidency, he playe...