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Landing." "the colbys" was a spinoff for "dynasty." they were seeing how much they could max this stuff out. because it was really successful. >> where's your son miles? isn't he going to be part of this venture or is he just playing polo as usual? >> the colbys can always find room for another trophy. >> you had these people fighting over oil and mansions and -- it was fantasy, but in a kind of so over the top way that it was fun. >> there's nothing devious about using your femininity. >> these shows took themselves so unseriously that they were camp, but that was okay with the central audien...

>> does this bring with it political aspiration? >> no political aspiration. >> your show has gotten a lot of ridicule. there are people who say it's nothing more than trash. >> that doesn't upset me, because i think it's the best trash there is on television. i am not in the business of brain surgery. i am in the business of fluff. >> that's the fantasy element. at a time when the access is possible. it's escapism, and it's aspirational. you want to stand in a hot tub with a glass of champagne, rock on. >> we've never seen that kind of wealth ever before. we didn't mock it. we didn't say it w...

Plausibility to it. he's taken us so far down the road of the unimagine nabmaimag? we are actually talking about the president doctoring an official weather forecast with a pen to make a false truth and that's where we are in september of 2019. you know, so there's a sort of fantasy element to the whole thing, and yet i think we have to step back and say it's a measure of the success of president trump's project that we are all now living inside of this narrative. we are talking about the absurd as if it is real here in this nice panel framework, you know? >> i say that every day, susan. you'r...

Fantasy element to the whole thing, and yet i think we have to step back and say, it's a measure of the success of president trump's project that we are all now living inside of this narrative. >> interesting. >> i think we are talking about the absurd as if it is real here in this nice cnn panel framework, you know? >> i say that every day. susan, you're channeling me. we have to talk about the absurdity as if it is not absurd, as if it's logical, as if it's normal. >> right. we fit it in this frame. >> it's crazy. it's really crazy. >> he can't read a map. that's a serious problem for the un...

Billions, not millions, do the figures ever frighten you? >> the answer is no, it's my business, it's my life. it's my lifestyle. i love it. the good, the bad. >> does this bring with it political aspiration? >> no political aspiration. >> your show has gotten a lot of ridicule. there are people who say it's nothing more than trash. >> that doesn't upset me, because i think it's the best trash there is on television. i am not in the business of brain surgery. i am in the business of fluff. >> that's the fantasy element. at a time when the access is possible. it's escapism, and it's aspirationa...