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no, that was up to seven. i think that was seven. it might be my souvlaki talking, but yes. so it's a big debate with all of the parties who are fielding candidates in the election being represented. and as a result of that, what you have is of course, the sort of battle royale going on between labour and the tories, but you have an opportunity to hear from a much broader rainbow of political opinion. yeah, it means on the one hand it's less focused than when it was starmer versus sunak on tuesday, and it'sjust two people going head to head on a range of issues. it becomes a bit more...

On lots of occasions very good at grabbing the conch grabbing and then hogging the limelight in the make up where tonight's debate and where there are other very strong debaters. he didn't dominate. i think one of the things where he really stood out, though, was what he said about shoplifting. and i wonder if there'll be a lot of pick up on that. so he basically said to answer in the answer to the question about knife crime, that basically anyone can go shoplifting now unless you make more than 200 quid, you don't get nicked, you don't get lifted. and you could just that he sort of went into....