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Markets will open at 9:00 in the cities. they have three hours to get it done. pass a daylight saving law and turn the clocks forward, now they have one less hour to do the same amount of work. farmers hated daylight saving time. it was terrible for them. >> what about the post farmer myth -- or maybe it existed alongside the farmer myth. that's the idea that daylight saving time saves energy. this is something that i know was part of the discussion around the oil embargo in the '70s and part of the discussion for the modern extension. what's the rationale and what's the truth? >> the rational...

Daylight saving time". welcome. i'm looking forward to talking with you about this. >> i'm happy to join you. >> i know you are a novelist by trade. what got you interested in this topic? >> it was simple. i was 45 years old. i put my finger in the face of the clock one october and i thought, how am i serving american agriculture exactly? i grew up with the farmer myth and thought there aren't things i have been doing for this long that i don't understand. i started to talk to friend and everyone had the same idea i had. we were all wrong, of course. that's how it began. >> what was the farmer...