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All of that stuff that trump's playing to. it is offensive and i've got to say back to sheriff joe, that he conducted himself in a lawless way over many years and sheriff down there and a lot of people didn't like him. and he disobeyed the orders of a judge. that's just lawlessness, i am very much concerned about this, but i'm not surprised. because last november, december, newt gingrich was mouthing off in interview with me at npr about how president trump could pardon anybody he wanted to who engaged in unethical behavior. i guess police brutality, obstruction of justice, contempt of court, ...

Speaking to the base. as someone who worked in a white house that had to make decisions about when to release things at certain times. all of this coming, this news coming right now as the country's focus looking at a hurricane bearing down on texas. what do you make of the timing of this decision, in terms of what it says about how much they want this to be covered? >> well, they obviously put things into the friday evening news dump when they don't want massive coverage of it. i guess hurricane helps, but i don't know what kind of base they're playing to because after charlottesville, the on...

Conducted himself in a lawless way over many years and sheriff down there and a lot of people didn't like him. and he disobeyed the orders of a judge. that's just lawlessness, i am very much concerned about this, but i'm not surprised. because last novr, december, ne newt gingrich was mouthing off about how president trump could pardon anybody he wanted to who would engage in unethical behavior. i guess police brutality, obstruction of justice, contempt of court, all of that is going to get pardoned if the president thinks you're on his side. but we're talk iing about a smaller and smaller bas...

As someone who worked in a white house that had to make decisions about when to release things at certain times. all of this coming, this news coming right now as the coun country's focus looking at a hurricane bearing down on texas. what do you make of the timing of this decision, in terms of what it says about how much they want this to be covered? >> well, they obviously put things into the friday evening news dump when they don't want massive coverage of it. i guess hurricane helps, but i don't know what kind of base they're playing to because after charlottesville, it was neo fascist alt-...