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Ab abc news where he disputes mcgahn's testimony saying, quote, it's just fantasy land. so we've got fantasy land. we've got the tooth fairy. i mean mcgahn pushing back more than he did the first couple rounds of smears against mcgahn. do you think mcgahn is someone who might eventually get battered enough to testify? >> i don't understand the sense in publicly attacking don mcgahn. i can't fathom it. i mean i really can't fathom it. >> explain that because -- >> goading him into -- i mean i know this is just what the president does, and i don't think he's thinking about it in a strategic fash...

So we have fantasy land, we have the tooth fairy. mcgahn pushing back more than he did the first couple rounds of smears against mcgahn. do you think mcgahn is someone who might eventually get battered enough to testify? >> i don't understand the sense in publicly attacking don mcghan. i -- i can't fathom it. i really can't fathom it. >> explain that. >> you're goading him into -- i know this is just what the president does and i don't think he's thinking about it in a strategic fashion -- >> because who should expect a president to think strategically. >> i don't believe he is thinking strate...

Need -- i need them to hear that, you know, there is pain in my heart. >> you know, with that i wanted to ask josh about his victim/offender dialogue project and what his thoughts are on it and his feelings going into it. >> i think about it and i still can't fathom it. i can't come to the realization that this is really happening. but i'm here, and i'm doing this. ♪ ♪

Start a conversation that hasn't taken place, where victims have a voice. it isn't just i was a victim of a crime and i'm a victim of crime for the rest of my life and there's nothing i can do about it oath ether than be a v. i had a voice in this and was able to help right the wrong. this is a start of something way bigger than just a dialogue and we need to get the first one behind us. . >> for the last 15 years, i've been looking myself in the mirror knowing that i haven't yet said i'm sorry to my victim's family. i ruined their lives, but i need -- i need tome in hear that, you know, there...

Above-board fashion and this will move back into election controversy past. arthel: the florida secretary of state saying there are no indications of fraud. eric: the california fire zone, sadly the death toll is growing. at least 25 people have been killed so far. more than 100 remain missing as wildfires continue to rapidly spread. in northern california, 7,000 homes and other structures have been destroyed. among the community hardest hit is the town of paradise which now nearly lies in ruins. >> you can't understand it until you are here. because you just have to -- you can't fathom it in ...