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Always raise the point to make even police better and those of us that need them to be treated equally and fairly and with respect. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i ll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of politics nation on father s day. up next, deadline: white house with my friend and colleague nicolle wallace. hi, everyone. it s 4:00 in washington, d.c. if you swapped in robert mueller for george stephanopoulos, the mueller investigation may have ended very differently. donald trump trashing his former white house counsel, don mcgahn, in that interview with abc news, claiming that mcgahn lied under oath when he told mueller s investigators that the president wanted him to fire the special counsel. he lays out a lot of evidence, including the episode where you ask your white house ....
He could not go in and give that answer because it would be a lie, but he couldn t go and admit to what he d done because that would have been an admission of obstruction of justice. he didn t do an interview for the reason a lot of guilty people don t do interviews because there s no good way out of it. you either go in and admit to a crime, or you commit a crime of lying about it. you ve got a tweet out from some new reporting from a source close to mcgahn. you write this. your source close to mcgahn says, anybody who believes trump wasn t telling don to get rid of rumor, using these conflicts is just stupid or believes in the tooth fairy. that was in response to having watched what president trump said about don mcgahn. i got this from this source about an hour ago. they also said that really nothing the president said if you actually listen very carefully to him, he sort of doesn t really contradict don mcgahn. don mcgahn didn t say that president trump said go and fire muell ....
Statements. i don t know. i mean i don t think that this changes the calculus, at least in the short term, about whether he testifies or not. but i just don t see the sense in it. ashley parker. again, i mean it makes absolutely no sense. the president is getting dangerously close to almost pushing for an outcome that he doesn t want and wouldn t benefit him. so you have don mcgahn, who is someone who based on the mueller report and based on everything we understand, repeatedly actually saved the president from himself. the president may not have liked it in those moments, and in fact he didn t. at the time we heard a lot about clashes with don mcgahn and he didn t like don mcgahn because don mcgahn would stand up to him and give him the lawyer s point of view. and it turns out in hindsight, the president is very lucky that don mcgahn was there playing that role. don mcgahn only testified for those 30 hours you mentioned because he was abiding by and you can disagree if it s good ....
Interference in our election? it s not interference. they have information. i think i d take it. poor norway. donald trump took his broom and dust pan over to fox news this morning for a little cleanup. but first the twin clouds that have hung over donald trump s presidency since the beginning, questions about colluding with a foreign power and then questions about obstructing the investigation into the foreign powers election meddling have been thrust back into the news by none other than donald trump. and that is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. at the washington post, white house reporter ashley parker. with us on set, former chief spokesman for the department of justice, matt miller. jonathan swan, national political reporter for axios. politics reporter for the daily beast, betsy woodruff, and elliot williams, former deputy assistant attorney general. matt miller, i have got to start with you. i watched that and thought, wow, i thought ....
Counsel, don mcgahn, you tell him mueller has to go. you call him twice and say, mueller has to go. call me when it s done. i was never going to fire mueller. i never suggested firing mueller. that s what he says. i don t care what he says. it doesn t matter. that was to show everyone what a good counsel he was. why would don mcgahn lie under oath to because he wanted to make himself look like a good lawyer, or or he believed it because i would constantly tell anybody that would listen, including you, including the media, that robert mueller was conflicted. robert mueller had a total at this point, the president s lawyer s legal strategy is starting to make a lot more sense. when seated with anyone other than sean hannity or laura ingraham, donald trump seems to fall apart. he seems to lack the mental acuity and the truth-telling capacity to field real questions from real journalists. to be clear, if donald trump had made those comments you just saw ....