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People think he's a -- his father was a rockerfeller. >> here is what i hear. he doesn't believe in this big world freedom agenda. he not going off in the world to fight a bunch of wars. he's a inductive thinker. i will look at each issue. i will mind the data. i will get the information in front of me when that time come, and i will make decisions like a business guy. >> that sounds reasonable. he's not an idiot. he's a smart guy. >> that's the way his mind works. why is he claiming to a right winger? >> i think he just wants to check with that box. i'm tougher than obama. i'm going to make t...

I'm tougher than obama. i'm going to make things better than obama. >> my favorite question. so what. i'm afraid he will make commitments in this campaign which will lock him into a very hawky stance day one. >> that's right. we had a lesson in this as well from a democrat. hillary clinton made the same claims trying to get george bush not to go to the opening games in beijing. i wrote a piece saying how unpresidential. that raises the cost on north korea and iran and climate change. you have achieved nothing. the issue is often times people act abdomen say thing and say t unpresidential. it d...

Like a businessman. >> he's not an idiot, right? made a lot of money -- >> if that's how his mind works, why -- >> i think he just wants to check that box. he just wants to deal with that foreign policy, say i'm tough, i will make things better than obama. >> my favorite question, so what? i'm afraid he will make commitments that will lock him into a very hawkish stance on day one. >> i think so, we have a lesson from hillary clinton and she made the same claims against barack obama, trying not to get george bush to go to the opening days, and i said how unpresidential. it's the cost of the ec...

Stimulus. then they made a couple more predictions. one is it would start to shoot up and accelerate. they got that right, too. it did start to accelerate. they thought it would hit something called escape velocity, it would keep accelerating into the upper atmosphere and everybody would be great. that was where they got things wrong. it started to accelerate and then -- >> i would argue from my perspective in my narrative, the reason they're getting it all wrong is they're not looking at the lack of investment. they're trying to manufacture money or manufacture spending to drive action. but t...

Is that fair? >> i think that's right. the president needs to have every piece of information in front of him, needs to know exactly how far away he is from the ideal. when you have an economic adviser internalizing the political constraint, you become confused about what the person is giving you -- political, economic advice. that's a tough spot for the president. he has to sort out what kind of advice he's getting before deciding what to do. >> a great point. congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> it's called "the escape artists: how obama's team fumbled the recovery." if you want to ...