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Here, author and presidential historians, michael besla. around when the chief of staff is to start, that is to say what president looked at the work flow and the pressure of the job and says this is way more than i can handle. >> the one we remember most is richard nixon. well, he wound up in prison. well, presidents really going back to fdr have had one person who really was first among equals. one of the amazing things in that nbc story that you mentioned, brian, was astounded to hear that donald trump has been talking to people and amusing on the fact that lbj and john kennedy were their o...

Presidential historian michael beschloss. around when did the chief of staff era start? that is to say, what president looked at the work flow, the pressures of the job, and said this is way more than i can handle? >> well, the one we remember most of all is richard nixon, who was the first one who had someone called the chief of staff by the name of h.r. haldeman, which did not end well. he wound up in prison. but you know, presidents really going back to fdr have had, you know, one person who really was first among equals. one of the amazing things in that nbc story you that mentioned, brian...

Called it the great crusade. postponed it one day because of the weather. and then there was a forecast that gave him just a little window on the -- from the 5th to 6th, and he took it. franklin roosevelt delivered a prayer of his own composition on the radio, 100 million americans. it was ary lease released in th morning, and it he read it on the radio. it was probably the largest moment of mass human common prayer maybe in the world. and i think pretty safe to say that the invasion itself was the hinge of the 20th century. this gets into what the dorks call counterfactualism. you know, what ...

Terrorism yet? >> you don't think from everything you've read after these days that a pakistani, who even the press is reporting said he got training in terrorist camps in pakistan? >> they are criticizing the miranda rights the moment he was arrested. you don't know all of that when you stop someone, when you arrest someone. he's an american citizen, so how do you say he's an american citizen so we're going to assume it's terrorism. the moment he was arrested, we didn't know. >> the conflict between civil liberties and personal security always comes into play at a time of conflict. in our his...