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Union, regardless of whether they join the union. they are plight l call. political. wages, health benefits, those are matters of public debate, including merit pay for teachers. unions take positions at the bargaining table. these are issues that do implicate free speech. >> paul: dan? >> to alicia's point. unions have changed over the years. everyone out there probably says i know what unions do, they bargain to protect wages and workers' rights. why are the unionse unions favog comprehensive sex education, voteing rights for felons and things like that. i think the justices understood that ...

>> you're compelling a worker to support the union activities. i think you can choose not to be in the union, but the union -- >> paul: you still interest to pay the fees. >> the union is a big political player. a lot of their power depends on coercion, the ability to coerce funds from people under the guise, well, i represent them and he benefits from our collective bargaining. but my view is very simple. workers should be free to join unions and organize unions but they should also be free not to join unions and not have their money taken away from them. >> paul: the argument is the workers ...